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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
and then, in order to make changes with large numbers of people you must make compromises. human progress is a slow, hard road. you cannot "impose good" instantly, by will. as if you had some kinda transforming ray. so it's a struggle, but it's not the absolutist one you imagine it is. and those who have tried to imposed absolute good (with various "revolutions") have ultimately unleashed terror upon the populations they sought to redeem: robespierre, mao, pol pot, the ayatollahs, the madman hitler, lenin, stalin, castro, etc., etc.
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We are talking about the exact same thing, the difference is that my entire argument is that VOTING is absolute LEAST thing you can do to ACTUALLY and DIRECTLY solve the problems of our society, one individual at a time. The solutions I propose involve each individual doing his best for the greater good, and the interconnection of these individual efforts will combine to solve the problems. The problems were created by each of us allowing the shit to hit the fan, and so each one of us has to clean it up, and voting is more like diagnosing the mess, without getting out the mop to beginning actually cleaning.