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Old 10.17.2007, 10:55 PM   #393
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balls. you think "programmes" dont' feature monster untruths, greater than wikipedia's? you trust the tv without question?

but if you don't wanna read wikipedia, fine-- here's a publication from cornell university

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-102.ZS.html

enjoy.

but this really distracts and misses the point, it's a side argument, it's a stupid discussion. my point bringing up sodomy laws was that there are a lot of stupid laws out there and it would be idiotic to enforce them all. ***that is all***. stop arguing about wikipedia vs. tv here, or start a separate thread about it.


well yes i am against illegal uncontrolled immigration as well. but there is a middle point.

look, when prohibition made alcohol illegal, there was still a demand for alcohol, so the supply came from beyond the bounds of the law. the more the government tried to enforce this ridiculous law, the stronger the mobs became.

same story with drug laws. there is a point when enforcement becomes ridiculous.

now when alcohol was legalized again, quality controls are in place, taxes are collected, and there is very little bathtub gin circulating these days.

with immigration, there is DEMAND for immigrant labor, there is a healthy SUPPLY of it, but the mechanisms for regulation are not in place. immigration laws are unrealistic, so the supply comes from beyond the law.

if there was a good law in place to handle the supply of foreign labor, these problems wouldn't exist in the first place. sure if all was regulated still a lot of foofoos would oppose the influx of darkies who smell of garlic, but who do you think is keeping the country from turning into a trash heap?

any time you institute a law that doesnt fit well into reality, that law is going to get fucked more times than a thai whore. current immigration laws are unrealistic and dysfunctional and that's where the problem arises. enforcing the current laws would royally fuck the economy-- that's why they are not enforced except in the case of criminals. people who have ignorantly tried to run the immigrants out of their towns have destroyed their local economies. most people aren't that stupid, so they look the other way.

now about the house metaphor-- that metaphor is inaccurate and stupid. it's propaganda, not truth. when is the last time you saw an immigrant in your living room? most people live in tiny houses or apartments, that's not what a country is like. having a person in your country is not like having a stranger in your bedroom watching you fuck.

a better simile would be a large victorian mansion where the butler has hired a mick to do the shrubbery because lord wankington cannot afford the hiring of a proper gardener, and lady wankington insists that the shrubbery is taken care of, or you, the butler, will suffer the consequences. so your undocumented worker, in order to be able to provide you with services at a low cost builds a hut somewhere in a corner of the hunting grounds and catches rabbits to feed his childen.

"lord wankington, do you mind having a mick living in a hut in some remote corner of your hunting grounds, and catching rabbits, if he will take care of the shrubbery for cheap?"'

Firstly I didnt make a point that tv was more accurate than wikipedia, I simply pointed out wikipedia isnt the best thing you can use as a reference

Get over it

And media some form of bias or inaccurracy including tv

I am also aware that there have been what could now be classed as inappropriate laws such as the one on sodomy, the point I made was instead of breaking a law if you dont like it, as with the law on sodomy you can always get it changed, not just set yourself up as being above the law

You would be the first one to moan if someone decided they didnt like the law on burglary and turned your house over

You cant just select the laws you choose to abide by and ones you wont

What you propose is to allow anyone who wants to enter a country to come in in a controlled manner

Don't you think there is a point at which a country is just too over crowded?

Infrastructures stretched to breaking point as is the case in the UK?

As for your point on the communities that have removed illegal immigrants collapsing

Out of the 14 areas that removed illegal immigrants only 1 ran into problems

1 out of 14

I can live with that

The solution is controlled immigration to satisfy the labour market from skilled to unskilled, with draconian penalties for anyone employing illegal immigrants and immediate deportation for illegal immigrants
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