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Originally Posted by Drjohnrock

This thread has outlived its usefulness especially as a ranting mechanism. And if you want to label yourself as a nobody, feel free to do so. But you're only speaking for yourself.

As for your strawman bullshit about rough equivalency, both sides calling names, blah blah blah, I'm interested in practical steps to stop the Rupukes. I don't know where you've been the last eight years but the Repukes and their supporters see this as a zero sum game: vilify the opposition and engage in scorhed earth tactics, with no compromise on anything. Nixon, as bad as he was was willing to work with Democrats at times, but the GOP has radically chanted since then. Remember the bogus impeachment proceedings against Bill Clinton that they knew wouldn't result in his removal from office? Or their stated intention to never work with Obama, bringing the government to the brink of default on more than one occasion, relenting only when it looked like the voters were blaming them? You have to have a willing partner to compromise with, and the GOP isn't willing at all.

I'm not interested in trying to engage Drumpf-supporting zombies. That's a waste of time. I'm interested in motivating those who stayed home this past election day. If they had come out, Drumpf would be nothing but an unpleasant memory. The idea is to motivate them, not engage in some useless attempt to change the minds of Drumpf supporters. That's the only way forward. The election of 2016 is a done deal. Let's move on from both that and this thread.

and yet here we are, ranting. and i do value everybody's life, the "nobody" is in the context of politics and policy and the world at large. it's not like this thread has a following outside of here, and the world is interested in our deep thoughts and shrewd analysis. this is just us, talking to ourselves. and also to the extent that the self is a fiction, yes, we're just vectors that recycle other people's ideologies into the void.

and what strawman bullshit? i'm based on recent history--all that hillary did throughout her campaign was to brand trump all sorts of things. didn't offer any compelling proposal (bernie did, impractical as his proposals were), all she did was basically point a finger and say "bad man, bad man," ad nauseam. which you know, worked to an extent, but not well enough.

if anything, the partisans voted, everyone else was turned off. so that strategy must die.

i remember her husband's speech with a bible quote, "without a vision, the people will perish." i forget where and in what context he said that, but see, it was so good that i remember it decades later. and yet hillary forgot and offered no vision of her own.

plus it's not a false equivalency when you come in the thread, declare it dead (yet here we still are ranting), and then proceed to do exactly the same thing-- bad man, bad republicans, bad, bad, bad.

without a vision, the democrats are perishing.

but hey, there's the bad man, point fingers at him and foam at the mouth, keep losing house seats and complaing that the opponent does not support your presidency, and as opposed to that old blues song, it's always everyone's fault but mine.

the original
https://youtu.be/Y_o4omd8T5c

and here are the lyrics for the 2016 version

Oh, mother she taught me how to read,
Mother she taught me how to read
If I don't read it my soul be lost, everyone's fault but mine