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Old 09.15.2012, 12:24 AM   #72
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Just a few points of correction for now:
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yes, obama keeps killing people with drones,
Hugely escalated their use.
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ran into a legal mess trying to close guantanamo,
He didn't particularly care. He never planned to close Guantanamo anyway, he was just going to relocate it on to US soil (hence the closure being blocked) and keep the same indefinite detention policy. And anyway there's less use for a Guantanamo under Obama because he just kills suspects rather than going through the messy process of actually capturing and imprisoning them. Not even Bush was despicable enough a human being to think of this one. Incidentally did you know that when Obama's drones kill a suspected terrorist that person is officially a terrorist until somebody comes forward to prove otherwise? So the figures for terrorist (never proven because there's never a trial) versus innocent civilian is skewed as a result. Human Rights Watch put the estimated figure of civilian to genuine target as 15:1 but admit that that's probably a pretty conservative estimate.
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hasn't finished the war in afghanistan,
Escalated it.
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but he also pulled out of iraq,
No. I can't believe you're not aware of the facts surrounding the "withdrawal". They're common knowledge.


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we haven't even finished cleaning up the crap from the last one, either in foreign policy
No attempt has been made to "clear up the mess" in foreign policy. It's just a continuation and in many cases an escalation.
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