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Originally Posted by kinnikpasswordforgetter
and no, its not important not to have a clear position. what would be important is saying the truth about the afterlife. its a yes or no question. and the answer is no. unless you want to talk about the tiny pieces of your dead body that decay or turn to dust and become parts of other organisms. you could try but then the notions of life and death break down. which they should since the christian conception is just so crude and ugly and provides so much torment to so many people that can't find anything different to read about.
heaven, hell. again the answer is no. jesus is dead. there is no monotheistic god. just humans stretching their experiences of concioussness and imagining some sort of self magically made or resides in the universe then calling it god. which is a mistake. gods a good concept yes. but nothing more. the world wasn't created by him. etc. etc.
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Exactly my earlier point. You can't countenance that someone could believe this, you absolutely dismiss it, and it's not possible for someone with such a belief to impinge upon your belief that it's absolute bullshit. You believe the human body, consciousness, are nothing more than material effects, that's fine. You don't have to be reasonable and respect people's beliefs and all that - that's a pretty boring line to take anyway - but you keep asking 'but why do you believe this bullshit?' - some people do believe 'this bullshit', and I'm one of them. It's no biggy, really, I just don't know why you get yourself wound up about it.