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Originally Posted by fugazifan
i am pretty sure that most scholarships and grants are not endless but have a certain limit. so technically, if every poor person worked hard they still would not all get funding.
there are a few other flaws in your reasoning. one is that poor people cannot always afford the SAT courses and private tutors that rich people can, sop their chances are lower for getting into certain schools and certain scholarships.
but also, i dont think that people have to pay for all of their past crimes. some people dont do well in highscholl, for many reason, not only because they smoke pot but because, for instance they have learning disabilities that are not well taken care of in their specific schools. or the way that highschool is taught just does not connect to them. does that mean that they wont be good students?
i, for instance was not a very good student in highschool but when i got to university i fit in very well with the learning approach offered to me.
it is also a lot of pressure for people not to be good, but to be the best in high school, that is to say, you cant get B+ or A- but only A+ because you have to compete with others for not only getting into school but for your money to study.
ad i also feel that your logic is flawed regarding free school = water downed degree. because even if a school is free it still requires certain things in order for students to be accepted, so it wont affect the actual academic level, but just the amount of qualified students who can actually afford to study there.
and again you talk about where your taxes go. so you have a bigger problem with your taxes paying for school than it paying for war and multinational corporations who, unlike the students, are the main offenders against the working class?
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We're not talking about war though, that is a WHOLE other topic and my opinions on tax dollars going toward that (whatever those opinions may be) have nothing to do with this specific issue. It's not an issue of "I do/don't support this so I can/can not support that"....Two totally different issues.
I feel as if either a) I haven't been explaining myself properly (and yes, I'm fully aware that even if I was, taken I'm not already, most here would still disagree with me, which is fine) or b) you + a few others who are reading everything I've said have a flawed interpretation. I'm not challenging wether some who have worked their asses off should get into school for free (these people often do, anyways...and not all are rich/receive private tutoring), I am simply stating that I personally do not want to see my tax dollars go toward ANYONE that wants to go. "Anyone" covers a fuck load of people, and I'm sorry...but there are a fuck load of people out there who I don't think I should have to help send to school. You said "even if a school is free it still requires certain things in order for students to be accepted"...GOOD! I SUPPORT THAT! Requirements can be a good thing, I feel some here would beg to differ. But then again, I feel some here would like to see tax dollars going toward buying cars for students that don't have transportation...because ya know, sitting at the bus stop in the cold or walking or living on campus can be such a drag.
I've just never had an "everything should be free" outlook on life....esp. when things might have an effect on other people.
Imagine a wage worker who could look down at his paycheck and see a number he could
comfortably live off of, because the taxes taken from it were MINIMAL! If I had it my way, taxes would only go toward the necessary...and welfare would be VERY strict. Yes, there would be a lot of miserable, yet still able, people.
We have a certain individual talking about how "him and his people on the curb are in need of more crumbs", all the while talking about numerous shows he attends. This doesn't sound like someone struggling to me. I could be wrong....maybe he goes to all these shows for free.
Americans like to talk about the things they can't do. They like to put focus into all the poor people that can't afford college, all the while disregarding the
MANY poor people that
DO IN FACT GO. If one wants to better one's own life, one should be responsible for doing absolutely as much as
they can. And of course, this DOES boil down a struggle sometimes. It does boil down to living off of Ramen and working and being tired all the time....but, people do it. We have to sometimes make sacrifices in order to make our own lives a little better in the long run.
All of this said, there are plenty of things I would like to see changed in order for it to be easier for the average AMERICAN to find work. Free school isn't one of them, sorry. But then (again), I could support that if it had STRONG stipulations.