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Originally Posted by hevusa

In general this is true about Christians. Most "believers" are dipshit stupid because they have never had to question a damn thing. And when they do they just discredit anything that doesn't fit into their lie about God. Which leads to MORE dipshit stupid shit like people wanting abortion and gay marriage illegal, women's equality oppressed, the prohibition of marijuana (even though believers think God created it), and stupid liquor laws that don't make sense. And that is just the tip of the iceberg...

a) why do you keep heavily trolling religious threads if you disagree so openly? Don't you have a bunch of people more sympathetic to discuss your insights with, or does your nihilism not satisfy you enough on its own?

Originally Posted by hevusa

It disproves the views of most organized religion. And greatly questions if there is anything "powerful" in the universe, like a God/Deity. Because if there was such a deity why create imperfect beings that needed to evolve? That makes no logical sense when said Deity could have started with something better.



This is only in an isolated system. Energy can indeed die.

And on a vaguely related note: Antimatter Trapped by CERN Scientists




So you understand that Jesus wasn't actually real and all organized religion is bullshit?? Is that what you are saying?

b) So what if organized religion let you down and hurt your feelings and skinned your knees so badly, why do you have to lash out all the time at us like that class clown in the 4th grade? Hevusa, we get it already! I like you man, but your nihilist routine is getting old and tattered and needlessly antagonistic to a lot of people who otherwise also probably like you. Don't you see that your negatively is destructive and self-defeating? You are proving nothing other than how insecure, naive and angry you are when it comes to spiritual matters. You need to shift your stance and be a bit less aggressive about it, we're all friends here remember? I don't recall anyone bitterly attacking you for your perspectives, why do you then lash out at people unprovoked?

c)ahem, I noticed you did not address my most potent point:

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

1) How does evidence of evolutionary change in the human body somehow disprove the concepts of spirituality and the existence or providence of a Deity? That is like saying, "Ah Ha! There is no such thing as music, the sound simply comes from vibrating strings, there is no art at all!"

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i haven't read teh thread, i just wanted to express my disappointment of how in (at least) american english, "christian" has come to mean anti-intellectual anti-science bible thumper inbred yahoo fanatic dipshit.

i grew up as a christian of the catholic variety, and there was no congenital imbecility implied in said word. the jesuits were actually pretty fucking smart, and theology as advanced by scholars, not televangelists.

Christians used to be rather intelligent people on the whole, but an entire right shifting political machine has pushed towards willful ignorance because a stupid population is a controlled population, it is to the shitstem's advantage.. (hence war, prisons, greedy corporations and taxes)

Originally Posted by tcpotbntmy

Bullshit, you just have a limited idea of what god is supposed to represent. Nothing is absolute in this territory, it's a concept, and you're acting with a relatively equal ignorance as the people you're purporting to attack in this thread...

genius!

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

now is the only thing that's real.

absolutely correct, but Rob, we humans have imbeded in our psychology the tendency to avoid the present moment at all costs, because we cannot control any aspect of the present moment, it is utter chaos. Our minds can only control our perceptions of the future, and our memories of the past, and in these realms of fantasy and memory the mind is in absolute and total control, it is its own God(s) and so this is where the mind prefers to be. Spirituality and its growth and ascetic exercise is ENTIRELY designed to enhance a person's consciousness of the present moment, for in the present moment is the only place where we can actually experience God. God does not exist in our memories, and He does not exist in our fantasies or anxieties of the future, in those places like everything else God(s) remains imaginary, but in the present moment of life, which we dreadfully avoid, there only is God(s).