Bad day for Democracy
 

After this wiretap "compromise", i am outraged. They should have to answer for their illegal wiretapping, and are not in any positions to make deals..

Outraged at the weak kneed Dems, esp. Pelosi. Who is she to say impeachment is off the table? A lot of people are outraged. Thanks to DK(Kucinich) for his relentless efforts on that.

Also, sad that on the heals of the above, the big oils are rigging up Iraq, with no bid contracts, to boot. They'll be mainipulating things for much longer and have more control on our oil dependancy, thwarting advancement of other energy sources et..

Sad, sad day, friends, for Democracy. :(

But why is today particularly sad for our constitutional federal republic?

Not to make too much of it, but if want to see democracy truly being fucked over, look at Zimbabwe.

if u are serious, read above again. :)

I don't see anything that specifies this taking place in one day. Do you have a news link?

I can see "sad time for democracy" or "sad month for democracy" but a day is a 24 hour period. Really I was expecting some news links instead of liberal moaning without them.

I guess i assumed if one responds to the thread they may know whats up...or want to know, which links would have been good for. A Bad day may not be a 24 hr period, per se. The wiretapping was today, and oil contracts should be any day now. So bad few days/week/period for Democracy. You have to be very specifc with conservatives, i guess, in general, or else they take things off point, esp. when in such states of denial.

You're calling me conservative because I wanted to know what you were referring to? Wow.

Well you know it was the main headline in the Wall Street Journal today.

I'll maintain what I've been saying, this Congress is being blackmailed by the neocons who have have negative information on them. Its the only explanation that makes sense. Its an old tactic to create a "honey pot", typically an attractive young person who seduces the representative, and then gets it all on tape. The more sordid scenario includes drugging the representative unconcscious, and then killing a prostitute and having the representative wake up and freak out, and then the neocon cleans up the situation, while keeping a film of it


It is shameful. If only the public would respond by demanding real encryption. But they won't - america has cooked their brains by unrelenting cell phone use.

i think it's time to call in the pharmacy for refills

Corruption in government is a constant everywhere, and Orwell's nightmare is a long time coming with the advent of wiretapping immunity.

Besides, people are in fact very pissed about it; it seems people still don't realize that the Bush administration could care less. What would you like us to do, blog about it? Picket the White House? I'm sure that would give congress something to think about.

Eh, is not like I didn't say this when it happened. Get over it hag.

I guess complaining about breeches of law is a liberal moan. Wow. Anyways, did u really write to moan about using a 24 hr period?

blah blah blah... i'm on a diet and your name is making me hungry.

u know? the u doesnt make u look very convincing. and u are arguing pointlessly about what the meaning of "day" is.

but anyway, i'm still reading all the discussion & commentary before i make some absolute pronouncement of the truth of the u-niverse. trying to understand what was gained & what was lost in this so-called "compromise".

Dont let u get ya down man.

I expected some snide remarks here and there about anything, anything not pertaining to the real story. but some of ya are just on the rag..somethin.

argue your case instead of getting bogged down in shitty little discussions is my point.

im trying to understand today's bill, and you're not helping.

Well, bringing up the short acronym u is hardly the discussion. oh man. Immunity man. Immunity to telecoms for illegal wiretapping, and therefore, no way to hold admin accountable. That's it.

My opinion is that a) unless you're actually doing something wrong, this will not affect Americans anymore than the average fucked-up scandal could, and b) it's not really something that we can fix by caring. One person can make a difference in a lot of things, but this isn't one of them. Not right now, at least.

Thank u acousticrock87. Thats a great handle, by the way. Indifference allows this stuff to go down tho.

but ultimately the government is the one responsible for this shit-- the telecoms take their marching orders from the government. barring some negligence or abuse, why should they be held accountable for cooperating with the commander guy?

it's a grey area at best-- i think the telecoms would be made scapegoats while the real culprits laugh their way to the bank.