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Kloriel 08.13.2009 10:22 PM

My Tribute to Minty BALM
 
the cutlass slices but with only one edge, the gun blasts but depends on ammo, humanity thrives but eats the earth. WHAT BRAIN DO YOU MAGGOT YOURSELF INTO!

floatingslowly 08.13.2009 10:32 PM

my battlecruiser is shielded with 2x8d plasma repulsers.

1900009490 jiggavolts of no fuck you.

say it loud.

pbradley 08.13.2009 10:32 PM

Eliminative materialism.

Your argument is invalid.

Kloriel 08.13.2009 10:33 PM

mine?

pbradley 08.13.2009 10:35 PM

Responding to the poll.

floatingslowly 08.13.2009 10:36 PM

if you modulate yr frequency, the borg can not react quick enough, kloriel.

set pharaohs to fantasy.

automatic bzooty 08.13.2009 10:38 PM

new waves of minty balm on yr embalmed moses motherfucker

Kloriel 08.13.2009 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbradley
Responding to the poll.


see, that's the problem with academia. with all due respect pb, as you've suggested great books to me in the past... however - there's an overbearing pressure in thought that basically seems to lift up pristine reason. reason is good. but not at the expense of subjectivity. modern scholars are basically operating on half-mind. allow for batshit insanity and oh the places we'd go.

floatingslowly 08.13.2009 10:49 PM

I'm on the fuckinnnnnng moooooooon (bunch of klingon babble about cocks).

Kloriel 08.13.2009 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floatingslowly
I'm on the fuckinnnnnng moooooooon (bunch of klingon babble about cocks).


hey FUCK YOU IN YOUR TAINT

floatingslowly 08.13.2009 11:00 PM

what part of shielded DOnT you UNDERstand motherfuckerrrrrr
return fire.
ramming speed.

pbradley 08.13.2009 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kloriel
see, that's the problem with academia. with all due respect pb, as you've suggested great books to me in the past... however - there's an overbearing pressure in thought that basically seems to lift up pristine reason. reason is good. but not at the expense of subjectivity. modern scholars are basically operating on half-mind. allow for batshit insanity and oh the places we'd go.

I don't recognize the subjectivity/objectivity dichotomy. I consider it a error originating from the mind/body problem.

Are you all that familiar with modern academia? Scientism is more popular than you think.

Kloriel 08.13.2009 11:28 PM

I don't know what the mind/body problem is still. I'm not as familiar with modern academia as you. I wish I was. Also not sure what you mean by scientism - if you mean scientific method, then i'm totally cool with that. it's still going to be a set of opposites though. with the method, you have linear thought but then you need to, it appears, eventually cross over with a subjective "leap" to make a conclusion.

but that is very simplified. i'm open to the idea that that particular system recurs immeasurably... but i think trying to freeze the process, to look at it up close in stasis, is kinda important.

what's the mind body problem? i am incredibly skeptical that there's anything there that could reconcile a dualism.

pbradley 08.13.2009 11:39 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind-body_dichotomy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism

Kloriel 08.13.2009 11:56 PM

you can still have a post cartesian dualism though. forget about soul. dualism seems to be present in scientism too, no?

Kloriel 08.14.2009 12:04 AM

decartes failed, but that is where i think the proof of dualism is. he went strictly into a cold mathematical reason... or warm, whatever you prefer. he thought therefore he was. and critics said, i think, that he couldn't prove the end of the statement. he could think, therefore... finis.

but does it really matter? he was still alive. what is the counter argument for a basic dualism? life/death. number lines vs. infinity. order/chaos etc etc.

objective/subjective

pbradley 08.14.2009 12:05 AM

I think dualism exists in scientism in the same sense that dualism exists in solipsism, one denies objectivity and the other denies subjectivity.

And to the first question, yes. For instance, I consider the dualism between determinism and free will much more profound.

Kloriel 08.14.2009 12:10 AM

why deny one or the other. can't the objective and subjective be ... like a perpetual back and forth? ergh, not worded well. the plato thing: thesis & antithesis. that's dualism. then synthesis. but that is still in the field of order. so the synthesis, a new thesis, then antithesis .. existensial? a clear void? and thus bam! another pair of opposites.

Kloriel 08.14.2009 12:11 AM

free will & determinism, those seem like 'topics' beyond the bottom line

pbradley 08.14.2009 12:23 AM

That's Hegel.

I prefer the compatible notion of intersubjectivity as found in phenomenology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersubjectivity

pbradley 08.14.2009 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kloriel
free will & determinism, those seem like 'topics' beyond the bottom line

What do you mean by bottom line?

Kloriel 08.14.2009 12:33 AM

bottom line ... let's say decartes. he seemed to have explored as much as he could, through logic, and his conclusion was wrong in a logical sense. trace elements of subjectivity in his conclusion. but that conclusion is i think unavoidable at a universal level. one can exhaust a sound, logical path, until the last second. the throw on of "therefore I am" inherent subjectivity. it isn't just in thought either. and at the risk of jaunting way out of my league... fuckin' physics. is existence of the universe not dualistic? I thought all things were headed towards a black hole.

Kloriel 08.14.2009 04:59 PM

so does this mean i beat the pb in a philosophical thread or does it mean that i'm way too stupid to be even throwing those curl routes?


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