Very interesting for music fans
 

Very interesting forum and a very interesting thread.

Jazzy jungle? Grime? Quiet storm R&B? Dubstep?

What?

I never thought I'd say this, but those people are hatin' TOO much.

what the fuck is Dubstep?

dubstep is basically instrumental grime, if you don't know what grime is you should hang your head in shame.
listen to these sound samples to hear of dubstep:

http://www.bleep.com/current_item.ph...tion=HDB001_DM

i read that forum for a while but i got sick of all the pseudo-intellectual theorizing and simon reynolds fanboys. and also the fact that most people there are quite closed minded to anything non-dance based

Because, of course, SY fans are well-known for their Catholic tastes...

That forum annoys me. It's OK, but I've never felt the need to do anything more than bored lurking.

I'm with you with everything you have said on here but having a dig at Simon Reynolds of all music journalists?It doesn't make sense.Go read his blog and you'll find that he's possibly one of the most open minded music scribes who ever came out of England.

people here are at least open to new things, everyone at that forum thinks they know everything already. mainly it's their attitudes to rock that irk me, they all think it died with rave & mbv (because it's what simon reynolds told them probably), which is absolutely ludicrous.

Ooh, lets have a bit of controversy. I suspect that forum has inspired this, but Reynolds is just a bit of a cockbag. But then, I can't think of a single journalist (some Wire writers excepted, because I've met them) who doesn't deserve to be melted down and made into lipstick.

The term "Dubstep" has become a running joke at work for me and my employer.

i've read his blog, it's good and he's a very good writer, but it's not him i have a problem with it's the brown-nosing of him that is rife at that board that winds me up. they're all trying to come up with some ace reynoldsesque theory that defines music all the time. recently i read some dude write about how hope sandoval's second solo record was the birth point of all the free/psych folk that's popular at the moment.

"Third Ear Band who?"
"Pentangle? Is that some kind of metal band?"
"Who the fuck is Robbie Bash-O?"
"Comus? Isn't that some kind of pre-Throbbing Gristle performance art group?"

i'd save stewart lee, byron coley & joe carducci. one of my friends used to have the job of sending CDs to journalists, he said most wire writers were nice people, but all other journalists are cocks. apart from stevie chick and the guy who writes teletext (who i hate, based on his writing)

Well,controversy aside,i think he is a very receptive individual with a good music taste.I like the fact that he seems to have objective views of where said genre of music goes and gets cross-pollinated by another and where said newborn genre lives in harmony till cross-contamination happens again.He never struck me as an arrogant or snobby music journalist at all.

Some music writers I enjoy:

Phil McMullen
Lee Jackson
Byron Coley
Enrico Ramunni
Mark Coyle

and David Keenan gets infinite rep points for using the term "cornucopia of humiliation" in his justifiably scathing and hilarious review of Jim DeRogatis' supposed comprehensive book on psychedelia. That was amazing.

David Keenan:
All i'm saying is that my Telstar Ponies thread is coming your way very,very soon.

when did he review that? i often think keenan seems a bit bitter, although that's subsided i guess as he's sort of the man of the moment now.

I have to throw Steven Wells in. He's the absolute paradigm of everything I hate about hacks, but does it better than anyone else.

that's like loving satan because he's more evil than some random demon

Funny as he was(is?) he never really said that much to me.He looked fit though.Nice eyebrows.

Or Swells undermines the general trend of hacks by exposing its 'truths' for the hyperbolic invective they truly are. He made me realise that journalism is shit, because you can't take him seriously...

There's more to that thought, but my brain is not playing clever today.

Do these guys even like anything?

Be thankful your hometown can't claim Jim Derogatis.

liking stuff is old hat, didn't you know?

Yeah, I heard cynicism's out this year. I'm into post-cynicism.

how very droll

They do seem to be valid from certain perspectives. You know how you can't see the forest for the trees. I like how they deconstruct basically every genre and style of music known to modern man. From there you can build your own validations and impressions. And I like how they describe squarepusher and venetian snares as hairmetal jungle :)

Is that another of your British inventions?

It is.He thinks of them in his sleep.Wait till he comes up with post-listening.They'll be talking about it in Hoxton Square mon-fri.

Here he is, in all his two-dimensional glory; Lord British!