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krastian 07.14.2008 09:17 AM

Bush to Lift Executive Ban On Offshore Drilling
 
Yeah, now that your time is about up, start drilling and leave all the problems for the next guy....cool trick.


WASHINGTON - The White House says President Bush is planning to lift an executive ban on offshore oil drilling.

In a Rose Garden statement on Monday, the president plans to lift the ban. But by itself, the move will not lead to more drilling off America’s coastline.

Congress must still lift its own legislative ban before offshore drilling can happen.


Well, that part is good at least.

tesla69 07.14.2008 10:35 AM

there is no crime too great for the Bush Junta, protecting pedophiles in the Texas juvie system, ethnic cleansing of New Orleans, mass murder of Iraqi children, it just goes on and on....all these phoney flag wavers claiming we MUST DRILL TO BE A REAL PATRIOT won't admit that the oil will be sold at market rates, so even if it does end up in the US, and not in China or India, it will still cost $4 a gallon. Its not like the oil companies are compelled to provide the fuel to the US at non market rates. I doubt in the end they even pay the govt a royalty - they probably get to claim that as a deduction off their taxes.

Cantankerous 07.14.2008 10:41 AM

WOOHOO!

:rolleyes:

only 6 more months of this shit unless john mccain is elected.

greedrex 07.14.2008 10:47 AM


 


 

marleypumpkin 07.14.2008 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantankerous
WOOHOO!

:rolleyes:

only 6 more months of this shit unless john mccain is elected.


Or Obama for that matter. They're both the same people. Their party affiliation DOES NOT MATTER. They all are for the same agenda, the American Empire.

Cantankerous 07.14.2008 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marleypumpkin
Or Obama for that matter. They're both the same people. Their party affiliation DOES NOT MATTER. They all are for the same agenda, the American Empire.

truth
i'm not voting because i don't like either of them. or any politician for that matter.
except maybe bob dole.

pbradley 07.14.2008 10:54 AM

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE.

 


I DRINK IT UP.

marleypumpkin 07.14.2008 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantankerous
truth
i'm not voting because i don't like either of them. or any politician for that matter.
except maybe bob dole.


Well, Bob Dole must be a Bob Dole kind of guy. (yes I know, corny joke. let's move on)

MellySingsDoom 07.14.2008 10:58 AM

marleypumpkin - There was a pretty good article in the Guardian last week about some of the policy reversals that Obama has made over the past few months. Such is the nature of politics I guess - compromise (at the very least) seems to always wins out over idealism in these times. From a British perspective, I'd much rather prefer Obama to McCain - strip away the "everyman" facade, and McCain comes across as a remarkably unplesasant and myopic person.

Cantankerous 07.14.2008 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marleypumpkin
Well, Bob Dole must be a Bob Dole kind of guy. (yes I know, corny joke. let's move on)

the only reason why cantankerous admires bob dole is because he has an incredible habit of speaking about bob dole in third person.


bob dole.



and because bob dole likes to talk about viagra.

marleypumpkin 07.14.2008 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom
marleypumpkin - There was a pretty good article in the Guardian last week about some of the policy reversals that Obama has made over the past few months. Such is the nature of politics I guess - compromise (at the very least) seems to always wins out over idealism in these times. From a British perspective, I'd much rather prefer Obama to McCain - strip away the "everyman" facade, and McCain comes across as a remarkably unplesasant and myopic person.


Image wise, it's an absolute fact that Obama has the better appeal, but appeal & Image are not what should decide general issues that effect the outcome of humanity.

pbradley 07.14.2008 11:10 AM

What do you want, Howard Dean? He was insane!

Cantankerous 07.14.2008 11:18 AM

if i had to choose any political party to be affiliated with it would be the libertarian party.

MellySingsDoom 07.14.2008 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marleypumpkin
Image wise, it's an absolute fact that Obama has the better appeal, but appeal & Image are not what should decide general issues that effect the outcome of humanity.


Oh, I certainly agree with you there. I read and pay as much attention to political issues as I can, even though the whole thing can sometime border on the depressing for me. How politicians can still get away with their bullshit and bluster in these supposedly media-aware times is something I still can't get my head around. I get wound-up just by listening to a few minutes of listening to the Radio 4 "Today" (politics-based early morning talk show) programme, especially when the current UK government arsewits are telling more porkies.

MellySingsDoom 07.14.2008 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantankerous
if i had to choose any political party to be affiliated with it would be the libertarian party.


Cantanky - by "Libertarian", is that a party that comes from an anarchist perspective? (You'll have to excuse my relative ignorance of US politics). The older I get, the more I begin to really think of anarchism as the only decent alternative to the current system here in the UK.

marleypumpkin 07.14.2008 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom
Cantanky - by "Libertarian", is that a party that comes from an anarchist perspective? (You'll have to excuse my relative ignorance of US politics). The older I get, the more I begin to really think of anarchism as the only decent alternative to the current system here in the UK.


Libertarian's believe in the rights of the individual. "Life, Liberty, & the pursuit of Happiness" That's the best way I can describe them. I would happily be associated w/ this party.

MellySingsDoom 07.14.2008 11:44 AM

marley - I guess my beliefs would follow those, but also take on a "collective" view, in that I'd look out for other people too and try to help them out the best I can. I'm not too sure whether that's more humanist than anarchist - I probably lie somewhere within both humanism & anarchy at the moment...the current "left-wing" movements here in the UK are a bad joke...

Rob Instigator 07.14.2008 11:46 AM

You should all join my political party.

I ahve started three churches, all failures, the last one a collosal failure, so now I am going to start a political action comitteee of FREAKS and sonic weirdos.

continue in the good doctor Thompson's work, craetinga true freak power coalition in the USA.
what are politicians sacre of more than anything in the world
organized voters, and it does not take that many. 300 phone cals and 200 letters and 500 emails are enough to turn government polciy around these days. who is with me?

Cantankerous 07.14.2008 11:47 AM

here, okay, i'll break it down for you

basically what libertarian means in the US is "government leave me the fuck alone"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberta...(United_States)

pbradley 07.14.2008 11:53 AM

A lot of Libertarians are also closet Radians.

marleypumpkin 07.14.2008 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantankerous
here, okay, i'll break it down for you

basically what libertarian means in the US is "government leave me the fuck alone"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(United_States)


Even a better way of putting it.

Cantankerous 07.14.2008 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbradley
A lot of Libertarians are also closet Radians.

i am a unit of angular measurement?

rock. on.

MellySingsDoom 07.14.2008 12:16 PM

The Wiki thingy on the Libertairian party is v interesting. My gut reactions are: Agree totally w/their views on civil rights, free sexuality, abortion; on the fence on the "drugs for all" policy (a decent idea in theory, but I've seen enough friends mess their lives up on recreational drugs to feel that such a policy in practice wouldn't really work so well); yes to a non-interventionist foreign policy, and quite a few "no's" to their economic policies, especially the "no welfare" one - the UK Welfare Services here have many problems, but I'm still glad it exists, and I'm definitely glad that we still have a health service he that is free (i.e. no compulsory health insurance).

Still, thought-provoking stuff indeed, and I can say for sure that the UK would never have a political party like that.

Cantankerous 07.14.2008 12:22 PM

with the drugs issue, i do believe it should all be legalised. i wrote an entire statement on it at one point and a lot of people thought it was very impressive but i don't have it right now, but there are a lot of reasons that i believe drugs should be legal and i'm not going to get into it and start an argument with someone.

i hate the labour party. you folks really need to do something about your government.

MellySingsDoom 07.14.2008 12:28 PM

Ah, I wouldn't argue w/you about the drugs thing. It's a matter of personal choice. I have plenty of friends who use drugs, and am totally cool with it. I just worry (if that's the word) about people who don't have the physical/mental constitution to deal w/drugs.

Our Labour party sure sucks, and so do the opposition parties. I used to be quite for the Liberal Democrats, but they've pissed me off too many times now to really care about 'em. I think over here there's a lot of apathy, the "it doesn't matter who's in charge, they're all the same" type of attitude, and because of that, people are very reluctant to go out a protest about things. To be honest, I can't see that apathy changing to action anytime soon...

Cantankerous 07.14.2008 12:29 PM

in america everyone knows that it will be between the republicans and democrats forever. no one from any other party stands a fucking chance.

pbradley 07.14.2008 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantankerous
i am a unit of angular measurement?

rock. on.

Typo. Needs an "n."

Rob Instigator 07.14.2008 01:54 PM

this "lifting" by Preznit Dubya is meaningless, an empty gesture. Congress has a standing ban that will have to be over-ridden by the congress in order for drilling to take effect.

and as far as republican.democrat goes, nothing lasts forever.
Here are the myriad parties

Federalist Party (c.1789–c.1820)
Democratic-Republican Party (1792–c.1824)
Anti-Masonic Party (1826–1838)
National Republican Party (1829–1833)
Nullifier Party (1830–1839)
Whig Party (1833–1856)
Liberty Party (1840–1848)
Law and Order Party of Rhode Island (1840s)
Free Soil Party (1848–1855)
Anti-Nebraska Party (1854)
American Republican Party (1843-1854)
American Party (“Know-Nothings”) (c.1854–1858)
Opposition Party (1854–1858)
Constitutional Union Party (1860)
National Union Party, (1864–1868)
Readjuster Party (1870-1885)
Liberal Republican Party (1872)
Greenback Party (1874–1884)
Anti-Monopoly Party (1884)
Populist Party (1892–1908)
Silver Party (1892-1902)
National Democratic Party/Gold Democrats (1896–1900)
Silver Republican Party (1896-1900)
Social Democratic Party (1900–1901)
Home Rule Party of Hawaii (created to serve the native Hawaiian agenda in the state legislature and U.S. Congress) (1900–1912)
Socialist Party of America (1901–1973)
Independence Party (or "Independence League") (1906-1914)
Progressive Party 1912 (“Bull Moose Party”) (1912–1914)
National Woman's Party (1913-1930)
Non-Partisan League (Not a party in the technical sense) (1915–1956)
Farmer-Labor Party (1918–1944)
Progressive Party 1924 (1924)
Communist League of America (1928–1934)
American Workers Party (1933–1934)
Workers Party of the United States (1934–1938)
Union Party (1936)
American Labor Party (1936–1956)
America First Party (1944) (1944–1996)
States' Rights Democratic Party (“Dixiecrats”) (1948)
Progressive Party 1948 (1948–1955)
Vegetarian Party (1948–1964)
Constitution Party (United States 50s) (1952–1968?)
American Nazi Party (1959-1967)
Puerto Rican Socialist Party (1959–1993)
Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party (1964)
Black Panther Party (1966-1970s)
Communist Workers Party (1969–1985)
People's Party (1971–1976)
U.S. Labor Party (1975–1979)
Concerned Citizens Party (1975-1992) Become the Connecticut affiliate of the Constitution Party (then known as U.S. Taxpayers Party) with party founding
Citizens Party (1979–1984)
New Alliance Party (1979–1992)
Populist Party of 1980s-1990s (1984–1994)
Looking Back Party (1984–1996)
Grassroots Party (1986–2004)
Independent Party of Utah (1988–1996)
Greens/Green Party USA (1991–2005)
New Party (1992 – 1998)
Natural Law Party (1992–2004)
Mountain Party (2000-2007) Become the West Virginia affiliate of the Green Party July 16, 2007 [1]
Christian Freedom Party (2004)

acousticrock87 07.14.2008 01:56 PM

Obama is still better than McCain on social issues, and at the very least claims to be getting out of Iraq sooner. Just because they're both lying sacks of shit doesn't mean it's okay to treat them as identical.

✌➬ 07.14.2008 01:56 PM

About time we stopped depending on other countries for oil.

Rob Instigator 07.14.2008 01:59 PM

even with all the oil the US has not yet dug out of it's own soil, we would still have to import 75% of our petroelum from somewhere else, which is why we will soon be invading Iran, and Guatemala and any other place we can fabricate a "war" and allow our multinational corporations to make record profits quarter after quarter

if the cost of making gasoline and other chemicals was truly that high then Exxon would not be breaking profict records every fucking three months. their expenditures would negate the profits, at least somewhat, but NO, them asslicker assholes make 14 BILLION dollars in PROFIT in 3 months, and ever rising.


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