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Originally Posted by Skuj

Thank fuck that SYG, warts and all, is the closest thing I get to "social media".

If this guy looked like Mark David Chapman...

People did not relate to Chapman though. Unless in some reality Lennon was a high rolling CEO of Beatles inc. and they tortured the American public with their song All you need is Life Insurance.

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Originally Posted by Diesel

People did not relate to Chapman though. Unless in some reality Lennon was a high rolling CEO of Beatles inc. and they tortured the American public with their song All you need is Life Insurance.

hahhaahahahaaaaa! yes

(they kind of did though lol)

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

Whatever his back ground Luigi is an american hero and everyone on the internet wants to fuck him right now

everyone on the internet is a big talker with short memory

in the long run this just means more money spent on corporate security. and the customers will eat the costs

I've never been on twitter/x, but once Musk took over I vowed to never go there.

I've done a lot of Amazon ordering in my life. But once Bezos stopped his paper from making an endorsement in the election (not that it would have mattered, but the principle etc) I stopped. And now with his Muskish support and reported $1mil going to Teflon Don's Big Day, I vow never to Amazon again. I can live without it.

I know that nobody actually gives a fuck - but I do!

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Originally Posted by Skuj

I've never been on twitter/x, but once Musk took over I vowed to never go there.

I'm being petulant and taking the "I was there first" attitude (even though I wasn't - he started posting there in 2010). I know alternatives like Bluesky exist, but I refuse to leave until the plug is pulled; I am a Japanese soldier from World War II and the website formerly known as Twitter is my Indonesian island.

ok this one is funny

there was a claim days ago that burger king had twatted a "we dont snitch" message (it was a fake)

but new mexican burger chain lottabgurger posted the same thing in their facebook for real. so, not original, but official

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...&oe=67635DD E

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid...08133388016364

my fave comment:

"Mark White
All the fake religious people who never volunteer mad af in the comments ��"

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anyway lol let's count the days and see how long this enthusiasm lasts

retail sales month on month suprised this morning to the upside. the american consumer keeps consuming, and cybermonday wasn't even counted because it happened in december

meanwhile everywhere else economies wither, budgets fail, and governments falter: france, germany, canada...

scary monsters & super creeps !

And in the back is a painting of his holy highness in his younger days.
This picture was made at Mar-e-Lago, and features Musk, Farage and some real estate bloke on the left. Apparently Musk is going to spend millions in funding Farage's right-wing Reform Party

What's next? Sooner or later Musk will have his puppets in every European country !?!?!
and then what? It will turn out that he's a Russian spy after all .... who will be the next James Bond?

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Originally Posted by _tunic_

What's next? Sooner or later Musk will have his puppets in every European country !?!?!
and then what? It will turn out that he's a Russian spy after all .... who will be the next James Bond?

i know, right? who are the real "globalists"?

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anyway, little king melon and his sith lord donald t, meddling with the funding bill congress had agreed upon-- total assclownery!

here comes the gubmint shutdown (for the weekend) but if it goes on how about we cancel the inauguration? hahhahahahahahaaaaaaaa!

i want to laugh at all this. i will laugh

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oh never mind, they have an agreement again, now covfefe and melon just need to SHUT THE FUCK UP

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Originally Posted by _tunic_

What's next? Sooner or later Musk will have his puppets in every European country !?!?!

But most European countries already have governments leaning to the populist right.

John Waters on Luigi Mangione: "I mean, he's not that cute. He's alright. I did say in one of my early books, 'Everybody looks better under arrest.' I think that has something to do with it. But yeah, it is a phenomenon.''

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death 2

He's got a point. Like, for instance: Trump would look way better ... behind bars.

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Originally Posted by Antagon

He's got a point. Like, for instance: Trump would look way better ... behind bars.

hahahahahaaaaaaaaa this was a great joke and still is. every time. thank you again

must spread mo' butter

Vance spits on Europe, praises a Rumanian politician on the far right whose campaign money's said to have been provided by Russia.
Next?
What will the US look like in 4 years (for the people living in every state, not for the bunch of future criminal assholes on top)?

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Originally Posted by Bertrand

dont worry about what the usa will look like in 4 years (no idea tbh)

worry about europe not being in the position to be spat on again

last night's speech might have been narcissistic and spiteful and megalomaniac and peppered with lies, but it was also effective. it made some good points, not gonna lie. stylistically it made good use of humor and empathy and was cogent and energetic, in spite of the weird hairdo and lunatic claims. a strange tribal ritual, but it was successful

JoyDivision Vance talking about sOmE rAnDoM eUrOpEaN cOuNtRy like the most ignorant, cliched American yuppie. Imagine having some of the best initials possible and still being a prick, I hate him even more.

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

The closing of the speech, yeah. Took him 9 years but he pulled it off.

just read an interesting article in the Dutch newspaper. It's auto-translated by Firefox, so it's a bit sketchy at times.

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Band Putin and Trump won’t fall from the sky: ‘By common past they will never betray each other’

Joe Biden called Vladimir Putin a “murderous dictator and unadulterated villain.” But since his successor Donald Trump sits in the White House, there is no bad word from the US government about the Russian president. “Fascism reigns in Washington.”

Sanne Schelfaut 08-03-25, 03:00 The last update: 07:37:37

A remarkable letter submitted this week in the Volkskrant [which is another Dutch newspaper]. Author is former defense minister Joris Voorhoeve. He writes that it has surprised many how Donald Trump dealt with Volodymyr Zelensky. Trump called Zelensky “an unelected dictator,” rhetoric who might as well have come from the Kremlin.\

Voorhoeve (79) itself is anything but surprised. “Trump’s business empire is full of money from Russian financiers who have flowed to him through money laundering constructions by European banks. The network of Putin’s accomplices in the banking world and his investments in Trump may be believed to be known, right?” he wrote.

Asked about the content of his letter, the former minister says that the U.S. currently has a fascist government. ,, Fascism reigns in Washington. Trump wants to radiate the “strong man” in everything, his Maga movement is superior to everything and everyone. The independent judiciary and journalism are attacked, political opponents are ridiculed, he uses aggressive language. They are all characteristics of fascism.”

According to Voorhoeve, the only thing missing in this list is the application of violence. ,,But that cannot be ruled out either. He has expressed his wish to take possession of the Panama Canal and to add Canada and Greenland to the US. He wants to achieve this peacefully, but has not said he absolutely excludes violence in these cases.”

According to the former minister, you see in Trump’s behavior and policy that he is an admirer “of sole ruler Putin.” ,,for as far as I’m concerned, they are two criminals who speak the same language and will never betray each other through their common past.”

Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump during a 2017 meeting. • AP

Investing of Russian rubles

That shared past has to do with investing Russian rubles in businessman Trump’s real estate empire. ,,To understand that, we need to go back to the early 90s. The Soviet Union had just disintegrated, and agents of the KGB, the secret service, at the time stole many properties from the collapsing Soviet Union and sold for a lot of money. Think of soil, oil and other raw materials.”

That money had to be laundered abroad and then, according to multiple sources, Trump comes into the picture. ,,Through his real estate is almost certainly Russian money laundered. In return, these mafias rescue Trump from destruction after a series of bankruptcies of his casino empire, among others. No American bank wanted to invest in its business, but the Russians did not suffer from it. Without them, he would probably have been played long and wide. Also in political terms,” says Voorhoeve, who refers to books that investigative journalists Catherine Belton and Craig Unger wrote about the influence and power of Putin and his inner circle, which consists mainly of ex-KGB agents and other Russian oligarchs.

Money outside of Russia parking

Belton states in her book Putin’s men’s men and clear that there are close ties between some of these oligarchs and the Kremlin, and that investments in Trump’s real estate projects may have been part of a strategy to park money outside Russia and gain influence in the US.

Putin is from the KGB world, so it could certainly be that he has confronting information for Trump
Hubert Smeets, Russia expert

Russia expert Hubert Smeets (Fram on Russia) indicates that Voorhoeve is probably right, but that there has never been hard evidence that Putin had an influence on Russian money laundering in Trump’s real estate empire, but there are former KGBs who have been clapped from the school about the criminal tactics. And emphatically refer to the close connection between these figures and Trump. In any case, what we know for sure is that the current American president has been saved a few times by Russian capital-providing oligarchs. We must question the origin of their money. Those figures kept and holding a mafia power structure.”

During a carnival parade in Dusseldorf, Germany, earlier this week, the spotlight was winds with the negotiations between America and Russia on a peace agreement in Ukraine. Reuters Reuters

Whether Putin can put pressure on Trump, for example by demanding bad conditions for Ukraine and for Russia in the negotiations for a peace agreement, is therefore difficult to answer, according to Smeets. ,,There are going to be stories that Trump was recruited by the KGB more than thirty years ago for laundering those Russian rubles. Putin is from the KGB world, so it could certainly be that he has confronting information for Trump, which is therefore not attacking him. If so, we can safely say that the Russians have the White House in their power.”

Trump may be blackmailed

Trump may be blackmailing, but according to Smeets we should not forget that the American president thinks the same as Putin. ,,They divide the world into three blocs of power: America, Russia and China. Three bite-sized chunks, the rest doesn't matter. Trump thought so during his first term, but now he has put together one more loyal team for him to perform his power thinking. At home and abroad.”

According to Smeets, the Russian president has been surrounded by the international aisle with Trumpian types for years. Power-stuned alpha men with autocratic traits, a penchant for money and with little to no moral sense. ,,Men whom he easily binds to himself through the same traits.” Examples include the Syrian former dictator Assad, the Belarusian sole master of Lukashenko, the Chinese leader Xi Jinping, the North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un and now Trump.