Originally Posted by knox

i haven't read the thread.

but you know what pisses me off? how people are always willing to tell women what to do, and have this attitude as if they have some say over the lives or bodies.

i don't like to see pregnant women smoking, but it's none of my business either.

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

To be fair, nobody forces anyone to smoke.

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

when you feel the craving coming, try breathing deeply. im not shitting you, it helps a lot. part of the pleasure of smoking is stopping everything and taking a deep breath (filled with smoke, tar, for your lungs, nicotine & additives for your liver and kidneys)-- do the same thing (pause, relax, breathe deeply), but with clean air. it feels fucking great, i promise.

Originally Posted by DeadDiscoDildo

Except 2nd hand smoke to a baby...

Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL

let he who is without sin throw the first stone!

I am seein a shit ton a stones bein hurled around here.

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

You win. A parade of marching bunnies will take to you to the top of a mountain where you'll be presented with your trophy. Congratulations.

Originally Posted by DeadDiscoDildo

Oh get off YOUR high horse.

I think smokers who cant quit are more bitchy then ex-smokers.

Unless, you're being serious...then that sounds awesome. Let me change and take some shrooms, tell the bunnies to get me in an hour or two.

Originally Posted by DeadDiscoDildo

I like you but please, no bible. thnx

Originally Posted by knox

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in fact, i once heard my doctor tell a pregnant woman quitting abruptly would be dangerous?

Originally Posted by knox

well, it's HER child.

i don't know there's this funny thing that people seem to think as soon as a woman is pregnant they become somehow entitled of having a say. In many countries, women cannot abort. Most places have an entire community of doctors and people telling a woman she should choose natural birth and if she doesn't she's evil. Other times they'll say a woman is doing something wrong if she doesn't like to breastfeed. Or they will go to insane extremes like telling strangers who haven't asked anything that they shouldn't be smoking.

It's almost like there's all these rules for you to be "worthy of motherhood".

How is that different to going up to 40-year-old pregnant woman anf sayinf "how dare you get pregnant at that age? do you know how the risks for the child?". We just don't do that because it's nobody's business.

But I know smoking is not something you choose to do, and I know I have absolutely no right over that person or her choices.

if that's the logic we should be telling them to leave polluted places and controlling what they eat?

quitting smoking is really hard. maybe if a woman had been planning she would have time to consider that. I haven't been pregnant, don't know what it feels like therefore i'm not gonna be judging, but I don't imagine it makes quitting smoking any easier.

in fact, i once heard my doctor tell a pregnant woman quitting abruptly would be dangerous?

there's a baby in there but it's not yours, so you have no say.

Originally Posted by DeadDiscoDildo

BTW

to take a break from all this stupid shit.

Good job on not smoking today Satan.

Everyone is caught up in the ethical debate and ignoring the fact that you're TRYING.

:)

Originally Posted by ni'k

if you are referring to me knox, i wasn't telling her to do anything that she doesn't already know she should.

i was reminding her of what she already knows but didn't want to face up to.

and just because the baby inside her is inside her and not anyone else, doesn't mean noone else should say ANYTHING on the subject. and all those other equivalencies you draw are just not relevant at least to what i was saying.

and "it's hard" is just irrelevant. if you spend your time thinking about how it is instead of actually quitting then that will be the case. and i wasn't "judging" as if that matters. the point that its "her" child is also irrelevant because it's also A child and so if you have something to say that might be beneficial to that child then you would say it inspite of who its parents were no?

i don't see much wisdom in someone "going up" to a 40 year old and saying "how dare you" but i do see wisdom in someone pointing out that the facts and clearly explaining the risks. they should be said for their own sake rather than for the sake of "going up" to someone or this judgement you seem to be so worried about.

i think what you are annoyed about is the fact that not everyone is being "nice" and people are having the audacity to make suggestions in the first place. surely if you told me "don't cross the road" and me not doing so would result in me not getting hit by a car this would be the right thing to do, so why all the complaining when someone dares suggest anything that anyone else might do? no?

you know what i think of this "nice" attitude? i think its bullshit. and i think if you had any respect for someone you would tell them the facts instead of worrying endlessly about not being sufficiently nice. when does that ever help anyone do anything but avoid the fact they know they have to quit.

all i said was QUIT, and look, apparently satan decided to quit for a day just to say fu. i don't know how long anyone can quit if they are only doing it for the purpose of sticking it to someone else. but it is still quitting so its a start. she might even keep it up for all i know. considering she will likely realise how simple it is to actually quit and how it only requires effort if you have already decided you are going to give in but are just drawing out a long battle of denial and avoidance.

i don't really care, but i cared enough to at least tell her the facts as i saw them, and i am not going to accept i should never say anything because everythings just an opinion and there is no objective truth so we should all be nice and quiet because that is just stupid.

i saw that satan was bs'ing to avoid facing up to something and i called her on it. i'd do it again. if you wouldn't i don't see how you really give a shit for her when it comes down to it.

as for hevusa, he's just trolling like he always does. so waste no time on him. the end.