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I think it was always meant to be a riddle but Cammell had constant interference from Warners while editing it and I think the final version we've all seen (and which I think is the only version we'll ever see) was full of holes. Some rumours circulating about the actual shoot: Mick and Anita were really at it in the sex scenes. Keef apparently heard about this and had a one-night-stand with Marianne Faithful to get revenge. Kenneth Anger was a constant presence on the set and was supposedly Jagger's inspiration for Turner. William Burroughs was meant to play the judge James Fox was in the midst of becoming a born again Christian and had a nervous breakdown straight after the film was finished. |
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as for the edit, i could see what would be holes in it i guess, but i suppose i’m willing to accept them as a complete expression of a fluid reality, ha ha ha. |
I don't think the final edit hid any huge revelation in terms of meaning. Cammell did it himself and I think Warners was more concerned with cutting down on the sex than anything to do with the story. But it all adds to its esoteric charm.
Anger in London at the time of the shoot:  You can definitely see where Jagger got his look from. |
wow i had never seen anger with long hair
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Love this film. The final scene, with the embrace and the music that plays out of the silence of the film always hits me profoundly. Bresson! So bleak but so graceful. |
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It's from the set of Invocation, in London, at the same time Performance was being made. No idea what the head is. |
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It did get a fairly limited release in theaters late last year. One of my faves of 2018. It rambles a bit (especially with the Swinton "other" character) but it's an assured remake that fosters the original's eerie 70's vibe while creating something wholly new in the process. Identity, repressed guilt (which allows Guadagnino to survey the whole history of German nationalism, basically) and some wicked bloodshed all make for an underrated movie. |
 Shrek Retold - over 200 animators and actors collaborating for a remake of the Internet's favourite movie. Will alienate anyone older than 30, so be warned if you look for it (it's free on YouTube) |
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Nah man, a female crossdressing to a male was nowhere near as controversial as the other way round. Hence why you can find the examples of Dietrich doing it in that period and not guys. |
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_10.jpg) but...  _NRFPT_34.jpg)  theatre used to be a bunch of men in drag and that never completely went away eta: i was looking for some photographic evidence (e.g. encyclopaedia britannica shows a picture of laurence olivier age 15 dressed as katharine for the taming of the shrew) and found this link among others. some cool stuff: https://www.littlethings.com/vintage-drag/?vpage=1 - i think it was the production code which ruled the 40s and 50s that caused the temporary glitch in gender adventures but demonyo is the one who knows this stuff in depth. plus i dont know how if at all that affected the british film industry. eta: now im reading about the motherfucking production code. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion...roduction_Code i fucking hate censors. and well played, hitchcock, well played... |
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Surprised you didnt know more about that already. The silent film era was recognised as being pretty out there for boundary pushing until the Hayes code put a stop to a lot of it. As for Some Like It Hot, you can't deny that whole thing is using them cross dressing as the butt of the joke. And I say this as a massive fan of that film. My point about Performance pushing boundaries is that the whole thing is his cross dressing is a way of finding his identity and trying to figure out who he is. It isn't the punchline to anything. Rocky Horror Picture show delved more into that a bit later. |
And c'mon, the Shakespeare thing was purely because in that period female actors weren't allowed so female characters were played by a smaller group of male actors.
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yeah i knew about the production code which is why i mentioned it, but never read about it a lot with an eye to gender issues. a refresher is always good. i was trying to figure out why performance seemed so revolutionary to you (this before your explanation as quoted here, i was just guessing) and i thought maybe it was about censorship making it invisible for the previous period to that film, whereas i thought i was taking a longer view. regardless, now i see we were talking about different things. and yes male drag is often either comedy or “perversion”, not just in previous eras but also afterwards (think dressed to kill or silence of the lambs), but still, “message” aside, with film there is a thing about the image itself which often subverts the intended story. e.g., comedy or not, chaplin is way too pretty in drag. and jack lemmon, sure, funny guy, making his stupid faces, but tony curtis’s image was often very subversive in the gender department    i get what you’re saying about the male/female identity, the idea of which in the last century can be traced back to at least jung (animus/anima) and his followers (e.g. hesse’s steppenwolf) but really it’s something that has always been there one way or another, regardless of the gender politics of the moment, all the way into antiquity and beyond, myths, deities, etc. |
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I was super impressed with Get Out, but I am not a horror movie person and I probably wouldn't be able to make it through without breaks/company. Maybe for some other time. ---  Watching this in English Language, because we'll be talking about the history of English. It's an...interesting watch; some of us have reacted to some unexpected scenes. |
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I liked Get Out but I didn’t think it was brilliant. It didn’t stick with me after the fact. Also I figured out the plot about 17 minutes in. Us is smarter and tripped me up a couple times. It’s also just plain scarier. Not that it’s just a horror movie — there’s SO much going on in this thing. Plus, picking “I got 5 on it” by Luniz as the main musical signifier was BRILLIANT, and the remix of the track used in the film is seriously never going to leave my brain. Get Out had better writing, perhaps, but Us is better. |
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 Venus in Furs The sixties Italo-sexploitation version (rather than the recent Polanski one, which I haven't seen, or the other 60s one, by Jess Franco, which I have). No surprises here. You get the usual 80-odd minutes of jet-set Euro types hopping from sunny location to sunny location and indulging in various acts of softcore kinkiness. Needless to say it's all about as sexy as warm beer but who's really watching this stuff in 2019 to get turned on? |
I watched three very long movies while my wife was out of town last week.
Avengers Infinity (I have not yet seen the last one, so I was catching back up)  Independence Day extended cut  and the best one for last, Conan the Barbarian extended cut on HBO  |
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Funny you should say that, one of the guys for film night chose Girl On A Motorcycle as almost a companion piece to Performance. Fuck me it was awful. The exact same thing as venus in furs. Supposedly it's sexy with the great sites of Germany, Switzerland and the like and the ridiculous sex scenes to boot. That's interspersed with Marianne Faithfull just looking daft on the motorcycle that's clearly on a rig. Awful film that should be forgotten. People forget that the swinging sixties didn't half have some dreck come out of it. |
Oh God, GoaM is terrible, even by the standards of other films like that. I'm not even sure I've ever managed to get all the way through it. Not in one sitting, anyway.
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i've been meaning to watch Running Man for the longest time now
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start watching art films until your eyes bleed find a library and see if they can get Eraserhead, and Bergman's Persona for you You'll find an all new meaning in life |
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I love that film so much. I think I'll watch the reboot again this morning. I wasn't impressed when I originally saw it but Im in a Conan mood, so ... |
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I always got a very creepy vibe from JEJ’s character in this. I haven’t seen it since I was probably about 13, but I still remember being utterly creeped out by it. |
 I avoided this for a long time thinking it would be be the same kind of bone-deep despair horror that I was so disturbed by in “Anti Christ.” Turns out, it pretty much was. Though definitely more accessible than “Anti Christ,” it’s still deeply unnerving. Good, genuinely scary film, though. Great droney score. |
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Speaking of Arnold Schwarzenegger! So the Mrs' lad is at the perfect age to see his first Arnie film and this Saturday is going to be when he gets to see one. Now what film do I go for? A part of me is thinking Terminator, cos, y'know it's Terminator (and it was my first Arnie film too), or commando. Any suggestions?
First person to suggest Twins gets neg'd. |
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isn’t kindergarten cop the real turd though? so what’s the kid’s age? in numbers i mean. |
I suggest PREDATOR, or Terminator, or Conan
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9 which as I said was the same age as what I was. Never gave me any problems. Honest. We watched Big Trouble In Little China last week. He LOVED that one. Predator is a good shout but I do think that's a couple of movies down |
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I say introduce him to Arnie and give him a life-lesson in one hit.  |
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or... was trying to check and this clip asked me to verify my age lmao https://youtu.be/ltO8_FJbRUw comments: patorikkudozzu “I remember this from my childhood. This scene made me a man.” xD xD xD |
so, kindergarten cop it is :D
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Yeah, Conan might be a tad awkward at first. However, I agree that anyone with any self respect should use that line as a life motto.
As for Kindergarten Cop it's actually sad how much I know of that film. Reckon I could easily quite every line whilst watching that film. "It's not dawg it's a ferret!" |
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There's always the more family friendly Conan the Destroyer. It's nowhere near as good but it doesn't have any witch sex. Mind you, if he's a horse lover ...  |
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Was it the first one where he punches a camel? |
Yeah, and he punches another one in Destroyer
 Obviously a running gag |
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