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hevusa 09.20.2010 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by space
ask someone on the clipping and pruning "circuit" what they think of this bill.



Wow, a whole 0.1% of Californian citizens. Let's not.

hevusa 09.20.2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneticKiss
I don't imagine this will go through anytime soon


Why not? It is about a 50/50 shot right now. There is a strong chance it will pass.

space 09.20.2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa
0.1% of Californian citizens.

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Originally Posted by hevusa
a 50/50 shot

don't get me wrong, I'd love to see this pass, but unfortunately, I fear that most proponents of this bill, such as yrself, rely too heavily on arbitrary (and entirely fantastical) numbers and percentages.

I believe the term most apt is "stoner logic".

SONIC GAIL 09.20.2010 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by akprodr
Public baked-ness? Happens all the time in my neighborhood. Uh, at least when I'm around.

I do have a great penchant for smokin' and bike ridin'. Been doing these fantastic rail trails in western NJ. Nearly flat so you can go pretty darn fast. Really amazing scenery.


I don't leave the house unless I get stoned first.

!@#$%! 09.20.2010 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
I don't leave the house unless I get stoned first.


you're lucky you're not in iran

SONIC GAIL 09.20.2010 12:47 PM

Thank god I'm not in iran.

!@#$%! 09.20.2010 12:48 PM

yeah. don't google "iran stoning". ayayay...

hevusa 09.20.2010 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by space
don't get me wrong, I'd love to see this pass, but unfortunately, I fear that most proponents of this bill, such as yrself, rely too heavily on arbitrary (and entirely fantastical) numbers and percentages.

I believe the term most apt is "stoner logic".



The stats from recent polls show it at about 50/50. That is the best we have to go on right now (not counting the recent almost 50/50 vote on homosexual marriage).
http://elections.firedoglake.com/201...-holds-steady/

chicka 09.20.2010 02:59 PM

I for one believe it's going to pass. It's time has come. People have been fighting for at least 40 years to make it legal. As a parent of children in their 20's I'd rather see them smoking weed than drinking. So I am 57 so you have a voting block of 18 - 60 roughly where I believe the majority are for it.
Folks are sick of seeing their kids get arrested for it. When is the last time you've seen anybody in the paper busted for multiple pounds? Doesn't happen. Folks in this age group know who's making the money off it so why not take it away from them. Lot of folks in that group would love to keep their taxes down by having the tax base increased with the money made off of taxing grass. It's going to pass.

tesla69 09.21.2010 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
every Rasta I ever knew rolled their shit with tobacco.


every rasta I ever knew rolled their weed with cocaine.

never knew that many

tesla69 09.21.2010 02:03 PM

2009 Marijuana caused deaths: 0
2009 automobile caused deaths: 33,808

The govt subsidized the auto industry. Blame it on Obama.

!@#$%! 09.21.2010 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
2009 Marijuana caused deaths: 0
2009 automobile caused deaths: 33,808


i'm sure a good chunk of those 33,808 car crashes involved stoned drivers

your numbers are wrong

chicka 09.21.2010 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
i'm sure a good chunk of those 33,808 car crashes involved stoned drivers

your numbers are wrong


Only if they're drinking with the weed or they are doing heavier drugs like
Opiates, Downers or Trancs....Straight weed accidents that are fatal wouldn't even amount to 500 I bet.

hevusa 09.22.2010 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chicka
Straight weed accidents that are fatal wouldn't even amount to 500 I bet.


I drive just fine stoned. And I'm on a motorcycle. :D

Rob Instigator 09.22.2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
i'm sure a good chunk of those 33,808 car crashes involved stoned drivers

your numbers are wrong


no way man. Most drunks do not smoke weed unless it is at parties!

SONIC GAIL 09.23.2010 08:10 AM

I drive better when stoned. I start to hallucinate when I am completely sober. I hear shit too.

akprodr 09.23.2010 08:19 AM

At my old job, I won Employee of the Month twice. I was smoking on the job during those projects.

hevusa 09.30.2010 05:44 PM

http://blog.norml.org/2010/09/30/pro...fornia-voters/

More than half of Californians now say that they will vote ‘yes’ this November on Proposition 19, which would legalize the private adult use and cultivation of limited amounts of cannabis, and allow local governments the option of regulating its commercial production and retail distribution.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.01.2010 06:58 PM

like all the legalization balot measures of the past few years such as in Nevada or Alaska, prop 19 is absurdly written and will not and should not pass. It is not specific enough to be taken seriously by any legislature or government, and will not pass. BUT at the least it has accelerated the mainstream debate about cannabis, and socially upwards of half of californians including several prominent politicians and academics and newspaper editors and political commentators have all been rather receptive and positive to this debate. if we can't have legalization, at the least we can end the social stigmatization that is much worse than the existing laws in california..
and the proof? While Gov Arnold mashed down Prop 19, he did just sign an hour ago a new law which further decriminalizes possession of under an ounce from a technical misdemeonor to a full infraction like a parking ticket.. it has functioned as one for years, but you had to have a M criminal record for two years as a punishment which fucked up employment. Now you don't even have to report your cannabis arrests because they are like parking tickets and NEVER go on your record, statewide.

The true victories for cannabis users and consumers is in the productive decriminalization movement..

People are far more receptive to such..

Schwarzenegger signs marijuana decriminalization bill

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By Peter Hecht | Sacramento Bee

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has signed legislation that will reduce the crime of possession of an ounce of marijuana from a misdemeanor to an infraction, handing a victory to marijuana advocates one month before November's state vote to legalize pot for recreational use.
The governor's signature of Senate Bill 1449 by Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, will not reduce actual penalties for possession of small amounts of marijuana. Under California law, misdemeanor possession of less than an ounce was already punishable as infraction - with offenders facing fines of $100.
Marijuana advocates say the governor's decision to sign the bill will significantly reduce the number of cases clogging California courts by removing the misdemeanor tag.
The law will take effect Jan. 1, meaning it may be superseded - at least for Californians over 21 - by the November legalization measure.
Schwarzenegger said he signed Leno's bill because "possession of less than an ounce of marijuana is infraction in everything but name."



Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/10/0...#ixzz119ezpXhR

EVOLghost 10.01.2010 07:02 PM

I can only drive stoned.....ok that's a lie. but I do feel better....but I"m also a pro at driving. Drove to New York from Chicago stoned!


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