Would that education even hurt a fly?

Assuming that's a reference to something in the second half of the film, which we haven't seen.

We're apparently right up to the shower scene.

Our media teacher (named Mr Greenwood, so I'll try to fit as many Radiohead references as possible) told us to watch a documentary about it, ignoring that not all of us have Netflix.

ignore the dumb teacher

watch the movie first—then watch the documentaries—then rewatch

i know of which i speak of :P

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ok long story short almost everyone in the humanities reads only criticism and ignores the source texts

this causes the primacy of critical garbage over art

so when people watch or read something they no longer try to see it for what it is (however impossible that might be)

instead they go to texts in order to “apply” a theory to it. apriori!

HORRIBLE

you’re too young to get damaged that way

feel art first, think about it later. aesthetics will always whoosh past the eggheads. but beauty is real.

Not all the way through yet, gotcha. Hope you're enjoying it thus far.

Well, we finished watching it.

Damn that was a good movie - that last scene is really going to stick with me for ages.

The big reveal may be slightly problematic in these enlightened times though

IT WAS NOT A BIG REVEAL

it was some bullshit added by the producers.

fucksakes.

don't trust your stupid teacher. i told you that already. thank you for bringing up this shit with us.

lmao

the real movie ends before.

Let's not go hurting any flies over this, Symbols.

haaahaaaa haaaaaa

My favourite theory about the psychiatrist scene is that says it was Hitchcock's idea but he deliberately made the psychiatrist seem ridiculous so as to poke fun at those movie critics who'd used psychoanalysis (which he loathed) to try and explain his previous films.

Anyway, I wish I'd got to see films like Psycho at school. This Mr Greenwood sounds a fuck of a lot better than the fuckers I had to deal with.

ah

makes me wanna throw a shoe at the screen lolol

and you’re right abut mr greenwood. i think chocky is in some fancy school haha.

i just get up in arms sometimes...

Hot take: the Gus van Sant remake of Psycho w Vince Vaughn is better

Also De Palma's Body Double is better than Rear Window

Same goes for that Shia LeBouf movie.. Disturbia?

The Birds and Vertigo are masterful, however

How are the Psycho sequels? What about that Bates Motel show? Demonrail... didnt you just watch th3se?

Hell even that Sasha Grey / Elijah Wood knockoff is better



OPEN WINDOWS!! Hahaha that movie was wild

I guess none of these could exist without Hitchcock laying out the blueprint but they really took his initial concept and threw in more spicy meatballs

That's a really good take. In any case, it's really well-written pseudoscience.

lol no, I'm in the westy public school *shudders*

To quote Mr Greenwood: "there is a remake. Don't watch it, it is shit."

Defy authority, watch the remake anyway. What's the worst that can happen? Lose a couple hours of life?

Not me. I might've seen the 1st sequel, years ago, but it left no impression.


You must spread more reputation before giving it to Mr Greenwood again.

The remake was criticized for being a shot for shot, and too close to the original. How can it be "shit" if the original is so great?

*insert longwinded rant about how Van Sant is underrated, and pretend like hes more iconic than Hitchcock to see if I can get anyone to argue w me*

Van sant is certainly more to my taste, anyway.

i apologize, mr. greenwood

i judged you too soon

im a democrat and find the accused guilty unless proven innocent beyond a reasonable doubt

hahaha

Last movie that I watched was 'Aquaman'. Very colorful and interesting)

Seeing as it's a shot for shot remake it's begs the question of what's the point. From what I can remember is that there's the added scene where he's watching her undress and they make explicit the fact he's masturbating. Why? COS ITS THE 90S WE CAN DO THIS SHIT NOW! Alt the end of the remake you're just left thinking "what was the point?". It's like listening to a cover of the Beatles. Sure it's ok, but I'd rather just listen to the Beatles instead.

As for the sequels, I remember seeing one with Jeremy Irons on ch5 when I was about 12 (before I'd seen the original actually). It's basically him recounting his story to a radio DJ or something. The only scene I remember is him rolling around with his mum on the floor and she berates him when he gets a boner. 12 year old me who had just started puberty was confused as hell at that scene. I'm sure Freud would have had a field day with that one.

Wasn't there a blatant remake of Rear Window with Shia Lebeef? 2007 I think it was or something around that. As usually happens with remakes it quickly got forgotten and the original is the one people go back to.

Maybe you were watching the Phantasm movies or something. I still need to see all those.


Hahaha, I really need to rewatch both the OG and the remake again. Admittedly I could be blinded by my need to be a contrarian, and my soft spot for Vince Vaughn and Van Sant in general.


Nah, that's Disturbia. Just a knockoff of Rear Window. Shia plays a bad kid on house arrest who's perving on the hot girl next door through binoculars


Its sorta like Body Double w that dude who looks eerily like Bill Maher



Hitchcock is brilliant no doubt, but I think dudes like DePalma and Argento who learned a fair share of his tricks ultimately ended up making more enjoyable filma.

They're certainly sleazier. I enjoy sleaze.

There's a reason why Hitchcock wasn't just a darling of the critics but also a box-office hit machine. Ordinary people who could care less about film technique saw his name on a poster and knew that above all else they'd be entertained. Whereas I can't think of a single Argento film that, for all its individual moments of brilliance, doesn't have major pacing issues at some point. And I say that as an Argento fan.

And for the life of me I'll never get the fuss that's made about DePalma. I enjoy some of his films but to say he learned a fair share of tricks from Hitchcock is like saying a Rolling Stones cover band learned some tricks from Mick n Keef.

^ Phenomena and The Bird w the Crystal Plumage would like to have a word with you

brian de palma is amply justified by carrie and scarface, but he’s no hitchcock. cmon!

Body Double, Blow Out, Dressed to Kill, Untouchables, Carrie, Scarface, Sisters, Phantom of the Paradise, Carlito's Way, Mission Impossible, like fucking even Snake Eyes and Raising Cain are fun as all hell in their own way.

De Palma is a god.

oh hahaha

i forgot dressed to kill. this is what i said about it after i saw it not long ago

http://sonicyouth.com/gossip/showpos...ostcount=20553

but see, i forgot dressed to kill. because of the shit writing i suppose.

i can’t forget vertigo or north by northwest or the birds or psycho. who the fuck could?

the untouchables... big yawn. not a kevin whatsisname fan. i remember the costumes the most.

carlitos... issokay.

scarface is a classic but it’s not so much a great movie as it is a great memorable excess. which i don’t mind but...

i have never seen blow out. ive seen blow UP which is fucking great. more antonioni por favor.

i never said de palma is not fun. he’s a lot of fun. he’s just not a true god. hero, sure. god, no.

rewatch for me, new wwatch for the wife.



Love this film. Quite deep. quite subtle, yet Terrence Stamp is a bad motherfucker.

check this, if you haven't seen it

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087414/

Symbols, please please please watch Blow Out

Hasn't Tarantino frequently cited it as the greatest film of all time? P sure that's why he casted him in Pulp Fiction to begin with

the... but... i dont think tarantino is that great ha ha ha

pulp fiction was epoch-making though. but ive tired of his schtick.

nevertheless, i’ve read good things about blow out elsewhere

(even though it’s a copy of a copy)

make you a deal: i watch blow OUT you watch blow UP

gotta drink from the source!


actually read cortázar’s LAS BABAS DEL DIABLO. great little short story...

I love Antonioni but have never actually seen Blow Up

I really loved L'Avventura, and Identification of a Woman

Is Blow Out an homage to Blow Up?

Okay deal. (Still have to watch Hotel Transylvania 3, and show my gf some John Waters but I'll throw Blow Up in there)

Tarantino is like the Family Guy of fine film, full of pop culture references and cool to hate these days. Dude hasn't made a bad film yet. I'm going to go out on a limb and say my two fav flicks of his are actually his least liked: Death Proof and Hateful 8.

I dig his hip hop approach to filmmaking though. The way he samples others to create his own. Also lots of pretty feet. Especially in Death Proof

so julio cortázar wrote las babas del diablo which is a story in which a photographer in paris inadvertently captures... (no spoilers, read it)

antonioni made a movie based on that story but set in london and different characters. some people think it’s a bit of a failure in capturing the swinging 60s london, but i love it. i think you’d get a kick out of it. malcolm mcdowell is great in it and his character was based on a real dude of the times.

de palma as i understand substituted a microphone for the camera, but same basic idea?

hahahaaaaaaaa oh yes he has that foot thing

say no more

(i stopped liking him with kill bill btw. but feet are feet.)

BTW it’s DAVID HEMMINGS not malcolm mcdowell. hahahaha

I'm pretty much with Symbols in all this De Palma/Tarantino/Hitchcock thing.

De Palma's made some good films and I have a real soft spot for Body Double, even though I'd never call it a great film. De Palma's one of those always-interesting outliers wiorking in the mainstream that definitely lends himself to a cult following, but the Hitchcock comparisons are just silly and if anything only make Di Palma look worse than he is.

I also lost interest in Tarantino with Kill Bill.

My only disagreement with Symbols here is over Blow Up, which I do think was a miss-step from Antonioni (I actually prefer Blow Out) but I appreciate Blow Ups place in history and wouldn't question that Antonioni is in the very top tier of directors..

Its interesting that you both lost interest in QT after Kill Bill, because I'm young enough where Kill Bill was not only the first QT film I ever saw, but was the catalyst for my appreciation of film beyond Jim Carrey, Jerry Lewis, and Adam Sandler.

I was 12 when KB1 came out in 2003. Soon after, an AIM friend sent me Gummo via their file transfer function, and I stumbled on Eraserhead in the horror section of Best Buy. I was suddenly obsessed.

KB1 also features that animated bit by Katsuhito Ishii. The wild ass Verhoeven-inspired director behind Taste of Tea, and Funky Forest: First Contact






Haha yup, sounds about right. I've only seen Identification of a Woman and L'Avventura from Antonioni. I've always loved the poster, but didnt realize that's what Blow Up was even about...



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What is it about Kill Bill that you guys dont like?

The only thing I can think of is maybe that's where Tarantino's work became more kitschy. I love me some kitsch and sleaze. De Palma, Argento, John Waters, etc.