Every poor white person in amerikkka has been fooled into thinking they would be Trump-level-rich if it wasn't for immigrants, welfare recipients, Democrats, uppity women, and the gays.

The global implications of the US elections



The working class has nothing to chose between Trump and Harris, Republicans or Democrats. Whoever wins, the working class will be subjected to the brutal attacks on its living standards demanded by the economic crisis and the build-up of the war economy. Whoever wins, workers will be faced with the need to defend themselves as a class against these attacks

But this does not mean that we can ignore the election campaign and its consequences. They are revealing that the divisions in the US bourgeoisie, the ruling class of what is still the most powerful country in the world, are growing sharper and more violent. The US has become the epicentre of the decomposition of the world capitalist system, and whoever emerges as President after November 5, the election will serve to exacerbate these divisions even more, with serious consequences both within the US itself and on the global stage.

Revolutionaries thus have the task not only of denouncing the fraud of bourgeois democracy, but of analysing the world-wide implications of the US election, of placing them in a coherent framework that will enable us to understand how the fragmentation of the US ruling class is an active factor in the only perspective that the bourgeoisie can offer humanity: an accelerating dive into destruction and chaos. We invite all those who want to fight for a different future to come to this meeting and discuss with us.

The main language of the meeting will be English, but we will have facilities to translate on the spot into other languages as well. If you want to take part, write to us at international@internationalism.org, indicating if you are happy following and contributing in English, or specifying what other language you would need to use.

Date and Time: 16 November 2024, 2pm-5pm UK time
https://en.internationalism.org/cont...s-us-elections

Fuck This Shit

From what I read Trump has made considerable gains among non-white males

it's because the non white males have been fooled into thinking they will be accepted as white if only they simp for trump xD

(or something like that, it's like a stockholm syndrome)

then what rob said applies the same

but there is another side that rob forgets to mention:

like republicans and their lies, democrats try to sell the idea that with enough taxes, regulation and red tape, racial and gender quotas, and language policing, everyone will have the right to their precious fee fees not to be disturbed

i don't agree with your ideology because i've seen it fail, and you might say it's a matter of implementation while i think it contains its own intrinsic fallacies, but i respect a lot the fact that it is presented with more intellectual integrity than any electoral campaigns or party platforms or national myths we have over here

yep. too many Hispanic men think they are white like trump.

Have you been to El Paso TX? 95% mexican-americans, but you cannot tell because 30-40% of them have bought-in to the white is right mentality, and behave with full self-hate to fellow mexican americans.

actualy, USA Dems play too NICE. they try to be "moral" and "proper" all the while their opponents are hittin below the belt and throwing sand in their eyes.

democrats are idiots who eat their own. especially if they are men. remember al franken?

a lot of that culture war has played right into trump's hands btw

In a culture that values being an edgelord instead of being educated, you end up with a micro-penis rapist grifter running thangs.

Well, you didn't.

not surprised but disappointed.

Nothing is ever going to roll out smoothly when implementing a fair system for all, not sure why it should. It’s very likely to be met with violent friction. We've been here before on this forum on a past thread about communism. While I don’t think it’s beneficial for millions of Americans to vote for either Trump or Harris, as a Leninist/ Marxist communist, it should be noted that in terms of capitalist rhetoric, Trump’s populist approach has more appeal to a broader set of settled working class ethnic groups in the States than Kamala Harris’ liberal, mild and patronisingly educated approach. His lies have some relatable hooks. A perfect example of this is his approach to the pandemic, which is not that different to that of revolutionary communists. While a lot of intellectual liberals were going on about staying home and save lives on social media, he understood that a lot of the less well-off working-class folks could not afford to just stay at home and work. Not such an option when you have a family to feed, and working is your only way to survive. He’s obviously a poisonous bag of shit, but he knows how to press all the right buttons with the oppressed.

yeah it was not my intention to insist on the differences or "debate" you, i just wanted to express my appreciation for what i saw as the intellectual integrity of your post without agreeing with its contents

and here again you show a rational response to the oppositional part of my post. which again i appreciate

i do not have the same respect for weaksauce "feelings" american style pseudo leftism--the kind practiced by spoiled privileged children who stole the word woke from black folks just to highlight their social media virtue signaling without accomplishing shit or sacrificing anything, and then cry when you disagree with them

(bolsheviks on the other hand have always been fighters)

anyway this relates to the following:


american "liberals" (not even liberals in the original sense) are idiots, but to me the lesser evil. they at least have "good intentions", even though these often backfire from, as you put it, "a mild and patronisingly educated approach"

whereas trump is a fucking bastard but manipulates the poor extremely well in order to benefit himself

case in point: i have a phone number from a battleground state (i'm not there but sill have the number), and for some reason was getting nonstop trump campaign texts all day. "they think you're garbage!" was a massive button they pushed in the final days. get out the vote, take someone with you, "will you stop her?". kept getting links to townhalls with elon musk. relentless (and infuriating, to me). a play on emotions, cults of personality, nonstop intensity whipping up the crowd into a frenzy

the only texts i got from harris were polite requests for money. super fucking lame

i'll still vote blue no matter who because here we always end up with a binary choice. there are no real third parties much less one that represents me. and while liberals asked people during covid to stay at home, they also were quick to activate unemployment insurance, debt and eviction moratoriums, food banks, and public health systems. both sides sent the support payments (that we're still paying for today via inflation, instead of billing the rich for it) but the fucking asshole wanted his own signature in them. the vanity of the fucking bastard. his signature

anyway, the tyrant arrives to the masses perceived as their savior today, but we know how that will end up tomorrow. after that, maybe it will be the time you get your chance.

i don't know where i'll be by then. maybe buried at sea lol

Yeah, I'm out.

I already did it with this country and all in all it has worked pretty well so far. Now I've canceled my paid subscriptions to the WaPo and the NYT, and the free subscriptions to Zakaria, Wonkette, etc. And I'm not checking world news anymore - everything leads back to the US anyway. Politics is/are bound to filter with music and art information; I'll have to deal with that somehow.

Also, I'm unsubscribing from this thread. Which I started. Oh, the irony.

You know, he is never going to leave office, right? Gonna pull an FDR.

fdr died in office. orange bastardo is gonna eat the blood and organs of young women and pull a baron harkonnen



eta:
actually this reminds me of kathy acker's "george bush" (george bush and acker are also dead now). it was prophetic. i'll see if i can find a link

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not george bush. PRESIDENT bush! hence the 1989 prophecy was fulfilled this century hahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlATOD_3_ek

enjoy

I can’t say Fuck This Shit enough.

Megafuck this shit in the dick.

Fuck This Shit in every hole from every angle.

i know man but we need to toughen up and survive this

it's not to diminish the seriousness of the disaster, but you gotta be stoic to endure, focus on what you can control, and remain aware of what you can't control. i guess a little bit like the drunkard prayer

the hairier the situation, the more unperturbed we need to remain. otherwise we just can't function

we're living in "interesting times" for sure, like the apocryphal chinese curse. but hang in there and do not lose you shit. that's what the adversary wants. do not give it that satisfaction

hey, i have my strong opinions but im not pigheadedly close-minded, so here i'll offer the writing of someone who you might agree with:

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Dear Reader,

The first thing I have to say is that here at The Nation we feel your pain. We spent Tuesday evening in the office watching the results pour in with our coworkers and contributors. The theory we had was: What good is sitting alone in your room? The practice was more like the ballroom on the Titanic.

I can still remember the chill in my spine in 2016, when James Carville said at 9 pm, when they still hadn’t called Virginia for Clinton, that there might be trouble. Virginia was called late this year too—but, unlike in 2016, the signs were everywhere. As some of us pointed out in the week before the election, Harris had a clear theory of the case: a closing argument about Trump’s unfitness for office, and counting on Republican women to turn out for Harris. And while we all would have preferred that theory to have been proven correct, we also realized that campaigning with the Cheneys was likely to alienate as many potential voters as it attracted.

As Jeet Heer noted on Monday, allowing Trump a clear lane to masquerade as the anti-war candidate was dangerous. Joan Walsh, meanwhile, cautioned that Democrats in Georgia felt more isolated than four years ago, and persuadable voters were harder to find there. In his preelection writing, John Nichols cited Bernie Sanders—and UAW president Shawn Fain—calling on Harris and Walz to give voters a populist option on the left.

Instead, when asked what she would do differently from Biden, Harris replied, “Nothing comes to mind.” The failure to differentiate herself from a deeply unpopular incumbent may have been her biggest mistake. But the conditions that made doing anything else practically unthinkable are the responsibility of the Democratic donor and consultant class that took a messy but hopeful handoff and turned it into a reprise of the failed 2016 campaign. As Heer wrote after the results came in for Trump, we have to hold the Democratic elite responsible for their failures this time around. (At a minimum, writes Zephyr Teachout, Chuck Schumer, one of the principal architects of this failed strategy, should resign.) Before there can be a revival, there really needs to be a reckoning. The question now turns from “Why?” to “Now what?” Might Congress be one line of defense? What does it mean that Trump actually won the popular vote? And, how should we defend ourselves in the new Trump era?

Here at The Nation—as we prepare to enter our 160th year—we promise to keep asking these questions alongside you, and hopefully providing some answers as well. Keep the faith—and keep fighting.

-D.D. Guttenplan
Editor, The Nation

Gaetz for AG and Gabbard for DNI. Can anyone make this up?

I suppose that all of the protestations about Trump's mental fitness went nowhere, electorally. Does that mean that he is, in fact, mentally fit?

I would argue that these two nominations prove otherwise.

It's almost as if we are seeing a competition to determine the worst possible candidates.

5 Senators have to disobey Trump in order for sanity to prevail. Will this happen in America Today? I think not.

Ironically, these two idiots in these two positions will backfire on Trump. But he is too stupid to understand any of this.

dont forget the tv head secretary of defense lmao

national guardsman and tv head. a real management resume!

Trump Picks 2.0 is much scarier than 1.0, and I can't wait for Inauguration Speech 2.0

Early indications are that The Senate is not 100% Trumptard. This surprises me. Although, we'll see when the confirmation hearings take place. I'm not holding my breath.

I'm rotflmao about Johnson/Jordan et al (and Trump!) not wanting this Ethics Report on Gaetz to come out. Whether it comes out or not, it is a gift that keeps on giving.

Isn't this fun so far? And we are 10 days post election.

Speaking of elections, what happened to all this talk of election fraud?

It is "fraud and cheating" if you lose. It is a "fair" election if you win.

That's their braindead logic.

You can now work 80 hours a week for your government and get paid NOTHING at all!
Congratulations!


a millionaire is asking you to work for him for free ....






in other news:
it's a real shame, "my" government nearly collapsed today, but unfortunately they managed to find enough glue to stay put.
But it's in shambles so let's wait and see how long it will last

***Tries to figure out how to look any of this up.***

It's the monumental elephant in the room. But the half of USA that was consumed by this suddenly doesn't give a shit. Mindboggling.

America is completely lost.

here's the first:
Elon Musk hints 80-hour-a-week DOGE job for 'high-IQ revolutionaries' will be unpaid

In a reply to an interested party, Elon Musk suggested the lucky applicants would be working for free, saying that "compensation is zero".




and here's the second:
Dutch coalition survives despite minister’s resignation over cabinet colleagues’ ‘racism’

I see that Gaetz isn't quite as stupid as Dear Leader.

If you told me 20 years ago I'd be in support of republican talking points, I'd vomit at the thought of it.
What I couldn't have foreseen is the conservative movement becoming the one pushing for freedom of speech.

^ man who would never be lied to by the media

hello new old man

yes, democrats conceded too much to their own maoist wing. it's been a thing for a while

but hear me out (for the sake of freedom of speech)-- who in the "conservative movement" is actually conservative anymore?

what they have now is right wing populism fueled by moral panics and slightly high prices (not even hyperinflation like the 30s, but people are more spoiled and overreact more now lol)

you'd think we're in economically wrecked argentina or criminally hijacked el salvador, but nope. the american economy is in good shape, crime is historically low, and inflation is now back down to almost normal, although yes prices are sticky, so old high prices are annoying people until wages catch up. everything is good and normal, but the crowd "feels" things are bad

and cults of personality are anything but conservative as mein führers of all ages show. and in 'merica, a land without kings... to see ex conservatives kissing the ring is disturbing as fuck. all that ass-licking. sure, obama was charismatic, but defied on a regular basis. this thing we have now is grotesque

and with economic policy, it's shaping up to be anything but conservative. republicans always cry about debt when out of power, but expand the deficit when in power. trumpo promises to remove any semblance of fiscal restraint, and his followers *do not care*

anyway, morgellons pizzagate jewish laser something lol. alternative facts!

but yes, the world is fucked basically hahahaha. we just have passionate extremes now. and you can't reason with a crowd. well you can, but just at a very rudimentary level. read gustave le bon

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and since i can't trust the public i'm just looking for a private solution now. which really is not a solution, just a temporary shelter from the storm

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okay okay enough of this depressing talk hahahaha

okay

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but about economic policy, im interested in conversing with anyone who is willing to keep it rational. tariffs, trade wars, fiscal and monetary policy in us, japan, europe, china... anyone? bueller? anyone?

symbols! puts a grin on my face to see you around.

you're possibly right about the former and you're definitely right about the latter.

gotta hold on to the very few remaining nice humans on this hellhole, and i suspect you're one of the finest.

You were always some Portuguese dude on the internet trying to be mysterious and experimental, all while being a confused right winger.

MARRASSSS :))))
I think I just hung out with the wrong communists. You would've converted me Marras.

Actually hold on, I'm pretty sure it was you who guided me to people like Boyd Rice.
Maybe you're right and fascism makes me horny and it's all your fault.

hahaha!

and here i thought it was elon who had seduced you with his toys, but this goes to show how wrong i am all the time

(elon does have some good toys though. his cars are crap but i like starlink obviously)

(cognitive dissonance frying my circuits)

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nah, no dissonance. melon has done some great things, along with some utter horseshit. but his entrepreneurial record is impressive overall, flimflam included

nevertheless, impressive or not (one can still debate), it doesn't give him the right to have his way with us

So now that Tulsi is a republican has she changed her opinions regarding various issues? My brief internet search says people don't like her but doesn't cite much re: her policy positions since changing teams.

I was disappointed to see Gaetz drop out but the return of GORKA has me on tenterhooks.

Ok I'll bite: Why? Do you think he would be a good AG?

(I don't know who the Trumpbots are anymore.)

And Gabbard for DNI is a disgrace. Right up there with Trump for POTUS.

tulsi is a herb

(really)