Just watched West Ham get taken apart by Spurs. We're in a relegation battle now, for sure. Next 3 games are against Chelsea, Spurs and Wolves. Bottom 3 by Christmas. Officially worried.

Don't worry we can potentially be with you. After Norwich today there is Leicester, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal. Shit a brick.

Honestly, I've watched Everton. They have problems but they aren't anywhere near as bad as West Ham right now. The 2 goals they scored at the end paint a very false picture of how today went. I hate myself for saying this but I'm really starting to think it might be time for Pellegrini to go, because if we are in a relegation battle, I've seen nothing from him so far to make me think he's the right man to drag us out of it. Not that I can see anyone waiting in the wings who might be.

So is it down to the Pellegrini or is it the players not performing as they should be? Feel like that's a chicken and the egg question.

i woke up, saw the score, did not want to look

H8kurdt^

I don't doubt that certain players are underperforming but a big part of a manager's job now (arguably the biggest part) is to ensure that players are performing as they should. It shouldn't be that way but that's what football is now. Few managers get sacked now because they're seen as tactically inept but because of perceived issues with their man-management skills.

EDIT: I take it back. Everton might almost be as bad as West Ham

*Waves*

Fucking hate, hate, hate supporting Everton. Absolute bag of shit.

I'm feeling the same supporting West Ham. It's pure masochism at this point. Sack everyone.

Swear that Pellegrini, Silva and Emery walked into a shoe shop only to realise they were meant to walk into a bar. Bunch of fucking useless cunts.

You think Silva's gonna be sacked?

Well I'd like to think so. I know he was the manager moved the Earth to get him so I suspect his ego will stop it happening.

So rumours abound that Silva get the boot and Moyes will replace him until the end of the season. Woo...

Demo, do you think West Ham should have kept him on?

the prem's game of musical chairs is something else

always the empty hope of "the sack" to bring in... the previously sacked

who the fuck conceives of this shit? i mean...

the last 2 to revolutionize your league came from outside: klopp + pep

i don't understand this infinite churn of rejects

someone please explain

^h8kurdt

You'll remember the situation west ham was in at that time, the toxic atmosphere there, he had to go even though i don't think he really did anything wrong. I still think he's a decent manager, if not necessarily a long term solution anymore. So a short-term contract that it looks like he might beoffered at Everton makes a fair bit of sense.

It's the fear of relegation. Owners are terrified of taking risks in those situations so they go for 'safe', 'proven'.

right, but if they're going to get "proven mediocre," what's the difference vs supporting the current mediocre manager?

the mourinho for pochettino substitution blows my mind given mourinho's recent record. but that's just one of the many.

so--what is moyes gonna bring to everton that silva doesn't have? although i admit the current position is quite scary vs the early season... same as you with pellegrini.

"order" i guess? OOORDEEER...

- meanwhile, bielsa has leeds in 2nd...

It's just that owners are more cautious when they have more to lose.

Moyes is a proven solid manager. He won't take Everton to the next level but he will stop them sliding further and further down, which they were/are in danger of under Silva.

Pellegrini was meant to help us get to the next level and it just never happened. More than that he doesn't seem like the kind of manager who can really dig in when things start going wrong. So I'd be fine with us giving a short term season long contract to someone proven in that kind of situation. Then, assuming we're safe and the club seems a little more settled, we can think about looking for someone more exciting. I'd take Moyes on the kind of contract Everton seem prepared to offer him, except he was treated so badly by West Ham's owners the 1st time around I doubt he'd ever consider coming back.

Gotta look at it from the managers point of view too. As much as either I or Demo would want Simeone as manager for our teams it's not going to happen in a million years. All well and good wanting solid proven mangers but if there's nothing the club can offer them besides money why would they go?

And Mourinho's trophy record as a manager can't be disputed. He's a brilliant manager.

Lewandowski has scored four goals in 14 minutes against Red Star Belgrade tonight. What was the other stupidly quick hat-trick he scored a couple of seasons back? Was it 3 in 9 minutes or something?

so if it's about ooordeeeer.... get bercow :D

it's a pity with pellegrini because things started so well with him and now you're in 17th place. just read some news bits saying that the players had lost faith in his tactics. damn.

how do you mean? pellegrini won the prem with man city and had a great record. i don't know what's up with him right now honestly, but how much better can you want?

wtf. fucking get poch and let him build a contender--like he did with spurs. if you can afford him haha ha ha.

i don't know. maybe bayern will get him.

But why would Poch go to West ham? It's the same as why would he go to Everton. As I said it's not all about money.

When Everton sacked Koeman supposedly Everton actually sounded out trying to get Simone. It didn't work out and we ended up with fucking Allardyce. Great managers are as rare as hen's teeth and the managers know that.

As for why Pellegrino isn't doing so well at West Ham, Demo can explain more. Big issue is losing Fabianski and replacing him with someone with less positional sense than a hedgehog in the middle of a motorway.

ok so marco silva does not have such a great record, but you could get someone aspiring to do with you what poch did with spurs is what im trying to get at i suppose.

look at nuno at wolves. i fucking love wolves. and it's nuno's doing.

where is the next nuno? the next poch? the next kloppo at borussia? a lot of world managers would kill to make their name in the prem.

and when klopp took over liverpool, they were... 10th place?

Your guess is as good as mine:D and all the big names outside of England are taken up atm. However, it's easier to make your name in the prem with a team that already has a decent squad behind them!

I was actually reading about how David Wagner is doing great at Schalke right now. Be interesting to see how he'd do at another club besides Huddersfield

I think the main problem with Pellegrini is he joined us at a stage in his career when he was clearly motivated more by money than by success, or feeling like he had something to prove. Same reason why I don't want Benitez. Love us to get Eddie Howe though.

I started to wonder if there were any tactics to lose faith in.

that bad huh?

i do remember them playing nicely early on

Yeah they did, but there's clearly been some kind of breakdown between him and the players since then. It's evident in the performances more than the results. Just nothing there at all.

Emery is outta there!

what’s the english equivalent of the guillotine? xD

Fair to say no one expected West Ham to beat Chelsea today. The points are what's important at the moment and It's far too soon to talk about Pellegrini suddenly turning things around, but we did play well against a very good Chelsea side. No doubt the wheels will fall off for the next game but 3 points are 3 points

EDIT: and Alvin Martin's son getting a clean sheet in his West Ham debut felt special.

:eek:

goddammit i was expecting you to get trampled, and on purpose i did not look

congrats, enjoy the relief

I think everyone expected that.

No one would've expected Man City to draw with Newcastle either. 11 points behind Liverpool now. They're getting close to running away with it.

Also Euro 2020 draw today:



Group D Doesn't look too bad. Group F though ...

Group F is the absolute group of death there.

As for the premier league it might as well be Leicester to challenge them now. Even if it is a long shot. Well done to West Ham today. A vital win for you guys

So Messi wins the ballon d'Or again Ah well into next year. Where he'll win it again.

he did? for what?

honestly asking

Miedema scored 6 goals and had 4 assists in Arsenals 11-1 victory in Women's premier league match against Bristol.

And De Ligt won the trophy for best player under 21. Hadn't expected this after his pretty rough start at Juventus.