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gmku 12.17.2009 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
 


Trust me, we'll be living on a diet of these in ten years time.


That is tres erotic!

!@#$%! 12.17.2009 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Beware of Belgiam's very own answer to it, Rene Magritte:

 


you know marco polo, columbus and ariosto did it first, right?

though i'd start with homer....

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.17.2009 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by amerikangod
America is behaving like every other country with power ever has, with mostly subtle differences. Some of these differences are comparatively better, some are comparatively worse.

It's not an issue of heritage or culture, it's an issue of being human animals. Speaking of things in terms of country ('America does this,' 'America did that') is an oversimplification that ultimately misses the mark.

Humans will act how they will act. Putting them into different contexts from one another will make them react somewhat differently, but at all times humans react how humans will react. Trying to paint fundamental differences is beyond illogical, it's uninformed.


just because humans make mistakes, does not mean that we should accept them as natural or necessary evils. And it is not an over-simplification.. if you are an american and you buy products, you contribute to the military-industrial complex, so like it or not, agree with it or not, myself and all other americans included, we all contribute to this disease. If you pay your taxes in America, you support the war effort, the CIA, the FBI, the corrupt and brutal police agencies etc etc etc.. The network of corruption and militarism is so deeply imbedded into the very fabric of american life-style that it is unavoidable. We all contribute..

Keeping It Simple 12.17.2009 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chicka
It kills me the way all the other nations rip us to shreds yet when they can't handle their problems they run to us for cash or might. We're so lousy yet
everybody seems to want to come here.


The US got very expansionist when it won independence from Great Britain. It even tried to conquer the British dominion of Canada, but failed miserably. :)

floatingslowly 12.17.2009 03:48 PM

yeah, failed so bad that we still have exclusive rights to Canada's territorial fishing waters.

LOLKKKANADA, eh?

Keeping It Simple 12.17.2009 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by floatingslowly
yeah, failed so bad that we still have exclusive rights to Canada's territorial fishing waters.

LOLKKKANADA, eh?


You have a bigger navy than Canada.

DeadDiscoDildo 12.17.2009 04:48 PM

America has only been a country for a few hundred years for fuck sake. Everyone who blames them for alll the world's problems are either ignorant, in denial of human nature to fuck shit up, or just a troll/asshole.

Our country was started by quite a few European profiteers. Don't forget. Because you all seem to be the ones judging us now.

I understand the hate of politics and politicians and religion...but to hate a citizen for being born in a country of power? Yeah, that's mature. Not our fault.

Should we assume every Frenchmen is a fucking moron because of their government and the maginot line's genius?

Should we assume everyone from China thinks it's a wise idea to kill off little baby girls because their government demands so? What about when that school got fucked by the Earthquake and their were almost riots because families lost their only children?

Get bent, you American hating cunts.

akprodr 12.17.2009 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gmku
Why not? I'm sure the Russians would offer them a good deal. And let them get away with a lot more shit.


Duh! Your're right of course...

amerikangod 12.17.2009 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
ladies and gentlemen, good evening, it is now time for the main event: in the red corner, weighing at 112 lbs, the sociobiologists-- in the blue corner, weighting at 113 lbs, the jesuits


Thank God you didn't make me the fat one, I'd have killed myself shortly after a tantrum brought on by being incredibly mortified.

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
just because humans make mistakes, does not mean that we should accept them as natural or necessary evils.



I feel like you always misinterpret my meaning.

We can certainly accept a species-wide universal tendency to err as natural, but no, that doesn't mean we need to accept them as necessary evils and leave it at that. We should recognize our nature and we do what we can to improve it, to maximize the group's happiness and well-being over purely our own.

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
And it is not an over-simplification.



Blaming an entire country of people for the decisions of a few, and acting as if those actions are unique to that country versus just pretty standard actions for any country had it been in the accused country's place.... is definitely an oversimplification.

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
if you are an american and you buy products, you contribute to the military-industrial complex, so like it or not, agree with it or not, myself and all other americans included, we all contribute to this disease. If you pay your taxes in America, you support the war effort, the CIA, the FBI, the corrupt and brutal police agencies etc etc etc.. The network of corruption and militarism is so deeply imbedded into the very fabric of american life-style that it is unavoidable. We all contribute..



Yes, this is true. But this applies to everyone. Not just Americans. Every single human being. Every last living thing plays a part in its environment. Whether you actively participate or do so passively, you bear at least some degree of responsibility for your actions (or inaction.) An impoverished citizen in a third world country is just as responsible for the state of their country, dictator and all, as any American is for the state of their country.

A man being beaten and robbed, a woman being raped, neither defending themselves. They may be victims, and their plights might be completely sympathetic, but they still bear some responsibility for their own safety. No, it's not their fault, no, they don't necessarily deserve it, they didn't necessarily bring it upon themselves, but they still did decide to passively accept their fate. Every person is responsible for themselves, and they didn't step up and do whatever they could (even if futile) to protect themselves (whether it be in the moment or preventative actions like knowing their environment and knowing what was safe and unsafe.) Like a cyclist riding without a helmet, getting into an accident, and cracking his head open. Sure, it's not his fault that the driver that hit him wasn't paying attention, but he got on that bike. He should have known all of the possible negative outcomes and done what he could have on his end to prevent them. In this case wearing a helmet.

No matter who you are, where you are, or what happens to you, you have a stake in it. The burden of responsibility (and how much one should be forgiven for shirking that responsibility) varies greatly depending on the context, but it's always there.

pbradley 12.17.2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
so like it or not, agree with it or not

In other words, these things are irrelevant.

Embrace the disease.

Bow down before the one you serve.

SuchFriends, the voice of defeat.

amerikangod 12.17.2009 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pbradley
Embrace the disease.


God money's not looking for the cure.
God money's not concerned with the sick among the pure.

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Originally Posted by pbradley
Bow down before the one you serve.


You're going to get what you deserve.
Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
I'd rather die than give you control.


SuchFriends even cut off his dreads, JUST LIKE TRENT DID!!!

ni'k 12.17.2009 09:13 PM

Gasp! but by shaving off your dreads the man wins!

Satan 12.17.2009 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadDiscoDildo

I understand the hate of politics and politicians and religion...but to hate a citizen for being born in a country of power? Yeah, that's mature. Not our fault.


don't hate them because they were born here. hate them because they're a bunch of stupid lazy fat fucks who get in my way on public transportation and don't know how to fucking merge because they're too busy shoveling chicken nuggets into their hole.

automatic bzooty 12.17.2009 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3272/...bef2890372.jpg

Trust me, we'll be living on a diet of these in ten years time.

IT'S PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLL!!!

DeadDiscoDildo 12.18.2009 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Satan
don't hate them because they were born here. hate them because they're a bunch of stupid lazy fat fucks who get in my way on public transportation and don't know how to fucking merge because they're too busy shoveling chicken nuggets into their hole.


There's fat lazy people everywhere...

I think Cities should be judged more than Nations.

Just sayin

Satan 12.18.2009 04:22 AM

you can't say there isn't a greater population of fat retards in america than there are elsewhere. you just can't. there are fat people everywhere but the fat people here are a special kind of fat people.

DeadDiscoDildo 12.18.2009 04:41 AM

Whatever, YOU AINT FAT. MAN, YOU AINT FAT!!!!!!!!

DeadDiscoDildo 12.18.2009 04:42 AM

 

chrome noise tape 12.18.2009 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by gualbert
uhh?
The world needs America?


of course the world needs America
we always will need some flags to burn
...so the future is chaos and beyond is freedom

!@#$%! 12.18.2009 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Satan
chicken nuggets


ha! sez the one who eats children's cereal!


but the reason they can't merge is not the chicken nuggets.

the reason is that they are constantly sucking on their fucked cellphones while they drive. and that's for the fat, the skinny, the old, the young, the middle aged, retards of all genders-- texting like it's something important that can't wait till they get home, and sucking on that cellphone like a giant cock from space.

cellphone-sucking drivers must die. i'd shoot them personally, with great delight.


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