Wipers aren't shitty enough to be grunge.

agreed. i have tried for a long time to get into them, but for some reason i'm just really underwhelmed with pearl jam

Tiny Music... is probably the best 1996 album!

Oh god yeah, you know how everythign I listen to has to be INDIE and totally obscure, just like Sonic Youth. Fuck off.

You must not like hip hop?

I like hip hop. This is my fave chilean rap song. The band is called Calambre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAo-3CuzKhU

Right from Santiago's ghetto. The lyrics are great! I wish you all could understand them.

Beyond predictable. I thought they'd be smarter and more respectable but I guess not.

~Jeremy~

Party Grunge is the newest hip rock movement, you heard it here first

...yet I doubt Greg Sage would.

hey toilet and bowls : FUCK YOU

AND FUCK YOUR FINDLAND

nick cave disagrees!

....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYyl78qQPVI.....

montana sucks

So I saw this the other day at a Barnes and Noble, read through it a little, and must say it is not worth $25 in the least. A bunch of pictures and then a paragraph (Tops) about select bands, nothing you couldn't find on Wikipedia or Allmusic.

I also want to point out that the Pixies aren't name dropped anywhere in the book, don't have a single picture, nothing, then again considering one of the authors that isn't too surprising.

~Jeremy~

A strong selling point if I've ever seen one.

What do you mean by this?

this seems like a step back from that ol' "grunge pedal" clip...

Various members of Pixies and Sonic Youth don't really care for each other. Kim and Thurston even did an interview once and ripped on the Pixies, it was a while back.

So since Thurston wrote the text and helped organize it, I'm saying the bad blood continues.

~Jeremy~

what's the story with getting kim deal on little trouble girl though?

Could you post a link if you have it? I don't really like the Pixies much anymore, but I think this is really interesting.

Then how do you explain kim deal singing on the wm track "little trouble girl" with kim gordon ?

Like I said, various members. Kim apparently has no qualms with them and they with her, but Thurston has made fun of Black's lyrics before (While in the same interview talking about how great Lil Kim's were if I remember correctly), and I remember Frank and Joey both saying something to the extent of "They didn't get Sonic Youth" in a 1991 interview or so, maybe earlier. I can remember Kim Gordon dissing on them a number of times, either directly or indirectly.

I just find it ironic how you put Kurt Cobain on the cover of the book, a guy who ripped off Gouge Away to unleash "Grunge" on the mainstream with Smells Like Teen Spirit, and yet don't mention that or have any other mentions of the Pixies (Or pictures), even though they were just as influential on the scene as Sonic Youth, who have over four pictures in the book (The same as Nirvana, if I remember correctly) and one of the largest paragraphs.

~Jeremy~

Nirvana was more pop punk than the Pixies, that makes no sense.

Who gives a fuck what Thurston says anyways haha. He supports Jemina Pearl for fuck sake, she isn't pop punk?

I get about as bored with Sonic Youth these days as I do the Pixies...

Oh, and unless it's some kind of big joke, how could you EVER talk shit about Frank Black's lyrics without talking shit about Kim Gordon's lyrics or even Thurston's for that matter...

Let's just all agree that Thurston = now totally full of shit. This is merely a cash cow. At least Frank Black has attempted and at times successfully written really cool lyrics. Anyone ever read Thurston's "poetry?" Fuckin dreck.

Well yeah, but to me Pixies were not supposed to be heavy. To me Pixies are beautiful music done real ugly and dark with all of lifes quirks. I mean if u dont dig em anymore Im not trying to...sway...your opinion...

Bleach is def amazing.

But to call Pixies pop punk and back BYOP is so fucked up in my opinion.

After pixies split, u could tell Frank was going more typical/weird guitar shop rock, alot of riffs...it was ok...But he has written enough vivid and unique chord changes with sick melodies over them to make up for it.

Kim and Breeders are ok, Cannonball era is ok...to be honest nothing she's done since POD has beaten it...I could listen to "oh" 100000 times.


Pixies dont belong in the grunge thing....but they def do for indie rock...everyone has been rippin them off since...just as much as sonic youth...except those bands dont get popular. haha.

Either way, I take the pixies/vaselines/melodic influence of grunge over the other aspect, thats just my style, but I like both!

Music shouldnt be a 1 trick pony! IE why THE FALL is kickass

Your welcome, I love most of these bands anyways. And sometimes I hate them at the same time. It IS all relative, to where you're at as an individual. It's something I think about often, as I am one of those fools who is pursuing both the art of it and a musical career...so lot's of deep thinking in the everlasting ongoing search to be genuine

^^Yeah, we played a show with Awesome Color a few months ago, and they were fun and everything but I just didn't get it. Even though we are kind of poppy, there are so many elements thrown in so the result is like when mark e smith gets poppy or how kurt got poppy ya know? I failed to see art or creativity in awesome color, they were nice enough people, but I think we stole the show...people stuck around till 130 am just to watch us and dance and fall and slip and slide in gallons of beer spilling everywhere, we had people more rowdy than them and I would say we harness a different type of energy...it was odd...

EDIT: Basically what I mean is, we dont just rip off the stooges or one of our influences, we rip em all off, so in turn...we dont sound like any of them too much...

All good points.

Something interesting with a band like, say, Nirvana is how they were able to take huge influence from bands like the Wipers, the Pixies, Vaselines, etc, yet go in a different direction than what they did originally.

Another example is the influence of Sonic Youth: Polvo, Unwound, Blonde Redhead, and the Swirlies all are obviously influenced by SY, but do something different with it, yet you could compare the bands to each other even though they all sounds distinctly different. I think Sway said it best in his last post.

~Jeremy~

I think me and Sway are on the same page, I just over complicate my wording...

Hey kim, "whats it like to be the girl in a bannnnnnnnd"


BWuahahahaha

Hah, I do the same thing. I always wonder if what I say makes any sense since it usually comes out weird.

~Jeremy~

Anyone ever read Thurston's "poetry?" Fuckin dreck.

I read Thurston writing from Grunge today and was quite impressed. Stuff like that and the Odelay re-issue are well written, insightful and funny...

I might agree that he could be better at his poetry. But it is the spirit of his composition that is important. How he says it. Underneath his breath and with great anger. Aloof and persecuted.