SuchFriends - ahem, it's "Untermenschen" by the way. All this was pure bigotry used by the Nazis to cover up what was really going on in Germany at that time. And Germans voted for Nazis because they believed that they would be fed and clothed, and "looked after" by them, as opposed to democracy. This is of course irrelevant to the discussion, so....why bring the goddamn Nazis into a thread on the US elections?

actually, thank sarah palin for motivating me to vote against the complete demise of america.


fucking bitch.

now just put your money where your mouth is

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/...source=mainnav

haha, that may be pushing it, i know-- but i had to try

because american supposed democracy and government is based upon the format and schematics of the Nazi supposed democracy and government, and further, it is highly relevant, because people blindly vote for American politicians believing the same things, but the politicians do not help americans. Shit as many Americans depend on assistance from Food Banks as do SubSaharan africans! Is that the land of the free? bullshit!

no, i like him. i'm going to donate a hefty sum of money and be pissed if he doesn't win.

What you are wishing for is a kind of "local" anarchism - again, fine in theory, but it would never work in practice.

I would say that there are plenty of people here who do, quietly, help out in ways that you discuss. People who give a shit about their local communites and do take part in making their little piece of this planet a better place, both for themselves and others. However, we live in a democratic system, and voting is the way that our democratic "rights" are exercised. Now again: short of persuading the entire goddamn electorate to not vote, what practical, achievable solutions do you have as an alternative to voting? The age of mass protest is over, and the State is incredibly effective at clamping down on that now...

the mrs. and i are helping with his campaign here in nuevo mexico.

no worries, obama is winning-- it will be hard but it will happen-- just like w/ hellary.

but yeah, donate! gotta pay for those counterattack ads somehow.

You're conflating two totally unrelated points, to basically say "US Government = Nazis". Come on, sir, you can do better than that, surely?

well they basically are fucking nazis but...


LET'S CHANGE THAT!

Can UK citizens donate to a "Vote Obama/Fuck The Republicans" fund, or are us Limeys strictly verboten?

Yeah, Cantankers and !@#$%! have got the right attitude. So there.

no, I did not say local anarchism, that is probably as much the opposite of what I am suggesting as is representative democracy.

I didn't invent the world, I just live in. The reality is that the methods I have already proposed, solid community and individual initiative and direct action, have already been proven in a hundred instances across the globe and across this past century to be the only successful alternative, in fact, the only way any of the real benefits of our so-called civilization manage to get accomplished is through individuals, not governments

. If the age of mass protest and public organization is over, then we are all truly fucked, and should seek shelter in hiding, however, I have much more faith in the good of humanity than that. We as a species have overcome enough of our own self-induced bullshit, mass slavery and genocide every ten years for thousands of years of human history, and yet, here we are, and truthfully there is more good then bad, so I am confident in the victory, but it will not come from supposed democracy which is really just complacency.

you are, but i heard of this irish bloke who showed up as a volunteer because he figured this was important for the whole world. so you can volunteer-- you just can't give money.

even if things don't improve that much under obama, at least we won't have another dick for prez and a cunt for VP

I dont need to, the police dogs speak fucking German, a descendant of Prescott Bush is still in the White House, and Von Braun remains a national hero for building the Intercontinental Ballistic Missile... so I'd say the verdict is in, yes, most definitaly "US government= Nazis"


ummm, yes we will. How are you so sure that Obama is not just another dick? cuz he says so? thats really reassuring..

he reminds me of bill clinton, who i can't help but like. he's quite personable. mccain is not. at all. i'm allowed to have whatever opinion i want REGARDLESS of how much hippie bullshit you spew in my direction. lesser of two evils. fuck you. quit being so fucking "righteous". etc.

SuchFriends - look what happened in Tibet, China and Burma when the masses organised. And in Ukraine and Serbia, the short-term gains were soon reversed. Also, look at the effect that the UK anti-war movememt had on our Government in going to war with Iraq. I'm afraid that I can only concur that the age of "mass movement" change is dead.

!@#$%! - Respect due to the Irish guy.

EDIT - Such Friends - I'm sorry, but a few factoids maketh not a "Nazi" Government. What the US and UK ihave s not fascism, but a supreme form of capitalism. Again, I find the whole "Nazi" thing spurious, and ultimately irrelevant to what happening in the world right now.

go on the irish!!!!!!

First of all, because he's not a republican.
Second of all, he doesn't consider the middle class to be people who make around 5mil/yr like McSame does.
Thirdly, he actually acknowledges gays and lesbians as real people, and is pro-choice and anti-war.

Do you REALLY want another 8 years in Iraq? All in favor, say 'aye'...

how about war with iran? cuz that's what mcsame is looking for. total and permanent war. cuz he's, you know, a "war hero".

YEAH!


if he wants to get shot again, i'll be waiting on a rooftop...

Another pisser for me c/o the left here: "Ooh, Obama supports Israel, what an awful man".

Well, lefties, I support the right of Israel to exist as well. So, um, fuck you with a cherry on top.

before getting national spotlight, Obama was one of the very few senators (possibly the only one) that always always always took public transportation anywhere, flying coach with regular people, BECAUSE OF PRINCIPLES.

Because he was sick of fat cat assholes in private jets provided by lobbyists and multinational corporations claiming to be "of the people."
he did this so he could TALK to the people.

that is just ONE tiny glimpse into a man far far greater than our current president, and much more valuable than the old feeb with a sugar momma, McCain.

Yeah, and that scares the shit outta me. We all knew Iraq had no weapons. But Iran DOES have nuclear weapons.

well i must now attend to one of those nearly-famous "mysterious breakfasts" of mine, so have a nice evening & GO OBAMA!

you can volunteer in your own town. oh yeah.

especially if you live in florida, colorado, michigan, virginia, new mexico, etc...

http://action.barackobama.com/page/s/volunteer

as much or as little as you want

Bill Clinton is in many respects worse then George Bush. The CIA did much more terrifying things in the world under Clinton, as did the FBI in America...

and by the way, picking the lesser of two evils is still fucking evil. Would you prefer



or

?

The lesser of two evils doesn't sound so comforting in this example does it? So why is it different today? if both are evil, why support any one?

thats why Obama sends out flyers begging for $35 and $50 at a time or charges thousands of dollars for a ticket to hear him give a fucking speech? its all more of the EXACT same.

SuchFiriends - Please, for the love of Barney The Dinosaur, PLEASE knock off the Nazi stuff. You're beginning to ruin any good points you have with this. You sound almost as obsessed wiv ze Nazis as Jello Biafra!

I hate Jello Biafra, by the way.

done and done. I am going to try to shove the Texas freaks that never bother voting into the goddamn booth

interestingly, I recall all in January-March that Obama kept saying that the war in Iraq is a terrible waste, but kept hinting that our real effort and real trouble is in Iran, and even suggested we shift our military focus away from Iraq and onto Iran, just like John Kerry did. The Israeli gossip is that they will strike Iran after the elections, I am a sure after hearing Obama's opinions on Iran that US would support it! peace candidate my ass! they are all genocidal warmongers, you should pray to do better!

these politricksters are just puppets, you have to cut the string, not vote for a puppet you find most acceptable or even charming!

hey numbnuts.
there is a limit for each individual to donate to Obama, and many of his supporters are not well off. $35 is reasonable to ask for .

the thousand dollar tickets are sold by the democratic party to raise money from the rich supporters of Obama. chill!

the money corrupts it all absolutely. This is a fact, they are all just the same greedy motherfuckers. the same ol shit will continue on as ever, its a damned shame to me, that the only people who ACTUALLY attempt any good in this country are the ABSOLUTE minority, and further, that the majority continually shoots down their goodness with skepticism and doubt.... alas, it will continue on as ever..

["they do it once, they'll do it again, the world is run by business men!"]

dude, you kno how much MONEY it is going to take for Obama to fight the endless well-funded lies spread by the GOP, McCain, and Palin? TONS OF MONEY

after the she-bitch spoke at the GOP convention Obama raised 10 MILLION from contributors overnight! they need that shit!

i have just donated an exorbitant amount of money to obama. let's make it happen.


btw, jello, yr going on ignore.

Obama Broke Money Record

By Matthew Mosk
Sen. Barack Obama broke his monthly fundraising record of $55 million in August, sources said today, but the campaign remains tight lipped about its total haul.
The numbers aren't scheduled to be made public until Sept. 20, when the campaign files its August finance reports with the Federal Election Commission. But top fundraisers for the campaign wanted to downplay a report in today's New York Times suggesting Obama's vaunted money-raising team has been struggling to meet its goals.
Se. John McCain's campaign already released its August totals, announcing he raised $47 million -- by far his best fundraising month to date.


Obama has been breaking these records for the past 18 months, it is all bullshit! where does this money go? I am supposed to trust this dude who has spent more money on an election then ANY OTHER CANDIDATE IN HISTORY? yeah, I trust that shit, its all the same, more of the EXACT same, I don't understand how none you can see this? How do you let ideology shape your view of reality? so because you support Obama personally it is acceptable for him to be so wasteful with your money? and this is the guy you trust to run the supposedly run the country?

its funny how seemingly an election can be won or lost on a comment about a pig.

This is truth, I apologize to you all for being so zealous, a spoonful of sugar would have helped other then just bombarding the thread with criticisms. however, lets get it straight, real action vs voting action is more effective at implementing actual change correct? Is there at least a consensus on that fact?

voting is a form of trust. If you can not trust, then why vote? I am suggesting everyone boycott these popularity contests and stick to actual change within their communities. the effort they spend on this bullshit could go a lot further elsewhere...

well yes and no, because this kind of political discussion is an equally important facet of the progress and mass movement, they work together with the more tangible elements. you have to lay the groundwork so to speak..

Fer me, the big thing about Obama is that he speaks well. I think that was FDR's biggest strength and what really pulled the US out of the Great Depression. Well, that and the CCC and WPA etc. (And, I gotta say, those two agencies were money well spent.)

I think he makes intelligent responses to the situations presented--the Palin pregnancy and this lipstick thing fer example. Well considered, civil, taking the high ground rather than sinking to their level.


The Republican scheme seems to be: tell the people what they want, no matter how un-realistic it is and us gullible USians swallow it hook, line and sinker.

I gotta say I'm very schitzophrenic when it comes to the future. On the one hand, I have decided not to reproduce so I really don't care what you breeders do with the country and the world. On the other hand, I do the 'think global, act local' thing.