im not too crazy about this pressure that if something isnt new than it isnt worth a damn. not everything has to be innovative to be good. sometimes people should focus a lot more of their efforts in doing something thats good rather than just something that is innovative.

i also disagree with you. even if the music you are making is simple, you should still work for it. i dont think that the point of noise is to just make noise, but to rather achieve certain sounds that sound noisy, if that makes any sense.
i would say that getting to know your instrument and its capabilities is a good way to start rather than just bashing it. that is not to say that you should be technically good, but i do think that it is worth it to practice different things, get to know what creates certain sounds. for instance, that playing a minor second (or major seventh) or a tritone will give you the most dissonant sounds on guitar. or finding out where on your guitar the overtones are the most sustained and create feedback the quickest.

dont want to be a douche, but i will be one anyways. that is not true about beethoven, and i dont think about bach either. beethoven would use an entire notebook in order to figure out just one theme. he would constantly change rewrite and edit his themes. mozart, on the other hand, would compose more or less straight from head to paper.

Cool thread, here's a few tracks from a tape I'm self-releasing soon:

http://www.mediafire.com/?eb324gabubihtcc

Tell me what you think

then you're just rehashing someone else's ideas, no? It is my understanding we're talking about experimental music here, not rocknroll or other structured music.

Ultimately, though, one should do what they like and fuck what anyone else thinks. IN 50 years after you're dead someone will recognize it and make a cottage industry out of it, e.g. Angus MacLise.

Everyone rehashes someone else's ideas. Very, very few people innovate. That doesn't make their 'experiments' bad, it just usually means they're not experiments in the broadest sense. The people I know who make the best music are also the people who've given up on making 'crazy new sounds' or 'experimental' things. I picked up Xenakis' Formalized Music again today, and I was struck by how little interest he has in experimentation for the sake of it, and it just interested in reflecting his non-musical interests in his music (though he seems to have a notion of a gestalt art).

Whether Xenakis was or wasn't the most innovative composer of the 20th-century is less important than the success of his work, and the work he put into developing an aesthetic - the real iconoclasts, if there are any, are working on a singular aesthetic rather than trying to break with convention.

Also, Herr fugazifan is cock on about the Beethoven/ Bach thing. Beethoven wasn't 'deaf' until the 9th, and even then there's a big debate over the extent of his deafness.

Sigue Sigue Sputnik used to say the same thing in interviews at the time they put out ''Flaunt It. That's how most people are deluded and that's also how old I am. Cliches Cliches.

Also, how someone did make make a cottage industry out of Angus MacLise?

This thread may as well lead us into wondering why people assume VU thought they were making avantgarde music. Read, pay attention and do listen. They were into mixing different musical backgrounds and spread equality amongst people. Not necessarily in a muscial way either, just relaxing attitudes towards one another. That's what it should be like to be young and enthusiastic. Not overemphasizing this jaded bullshit all the time.

yeah, just make music, less talk more action

good stuff like it

The past few years have seen a bunch of limited releases and publications sold at high prices as well as art shows recently, etc. $30 or $40 for a single record. That's what I mean.

I can't think of anything more useless than being in a noise cover band. Anyway, noise is oldies. in 1975 when I was a kid, they referred to the 50's music as oldies, and since noise has been around since at least the 70's, i would assert the same thing.

Noise is oldies music.

I don't think there can be a new radical form of music until we get new neural interfaces, a la John Shirley's 'bone music'.

My advice is to not make noise.

My advice is to shit in a cup.

Don't get me wong, and you may a well drop the antagonistic music forum attitude for the time being, but you seem to confuse noise with avant-garde. Personally, I don't perceive the two as being the same thing because noise as your sole style of choice gives you way too much of an opportunity to let things happen by chance outside of your own control, without much of a planned strategy or command on making a challenging point you can use over and over to prove how valid it is. Effective avant-garde forms of music are pre-meditated with the precision of a blood-thirsty army, and when noise is used, it's used as a tool, not a genre of music as such. I think Sonic Youth are the perfect example. To me they used the ''uneasy element'' in their music to filter uncommon ideas and ways of making music through fairly straightforward playing. That's quite the achievement, as far as I am concerned. And they aren't an avant-garde band AT ALL.

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