also, how about the scientists?

Yeah, the Grinderman LP is pretty good. Definitely better than a lot of the Bad Seeds stuff recently.

If you haven't heard the Swell Maps - they did catchy post-punk with the odd experimentation elements, though the production was crap (for Jane in Occupied Europe at least) - I'd recommend you hear some of their songs.

I'd seriously recommend it. It's pretty easy to get on amazon or even at a local Borders. The best book I've read recently, by a long way.

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Hmmm, just heard some samples. OK, but a bit too space-rock-drony for me. Thanks anyway.

You look hard to please, demonrail. Try to have an open mind on music...

Hey, I'm seeking out and listening to samples of everything people suggest. What am I meant to do? Say I love something that I don't?

dont think you heard venom p stinger if it is space rock drony

These last few months i've been really narrowing my tastes down to a hardcore of stuff. It's a phase, I'll get over it. It does prove in a way though that most of my time listening to stuff is spent tolerating records that ALMOST get it right.

post punk from aust and nz http://cousincreep.com/antipodeanunderground/?p=3

LOL, that link just crashed my computer. Seriously.

thats weird, any way there is alot of mp3 of classic dirty ass aussie post punk and punk as well as some nz stuff

That sounds great. I love a lot of the 80s Aus stuff, Scientists, B Party (obviously) Bailter Space and The Lazy Cowgirls. God, whatever happened to THEM?

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also:

the frogs
gore beyond necropsy
discharge
splintered
times new viking
the cows
halo of flies
jesus lizard
bum gravy
thrown ups
slugfuckers
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cursive-the ugly organ or happy hollow
shoplifting-body stories
mission of burma-vs.
the brian jonestown massacre-take it from the man!

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Check out XBXRX, Hatewave, or anything Weasel Walter related. I have no fucking clue what is intended by scummy... but Skin Graft records deals in messy-ass shit. SOFA! CHECK OUT SOFA!

The Locust? Daugthers? Early Blood Brothers? Lullabye Arkestra? Femme Fatale? Arab on Radar? AIDS Wolf? Panzerbjorne? Anagram? Napalm Death? Earthless? Jesus Lizard? No Dynamics? Hatewave? Earth? Mogwai?

Wicked albums both, but doncha think they're a bit too poppy to be called "scummy"?

I just ordered Harry Pussy's What Was Music? CD. I've been wanting to hear them for ages now. Thanks so far.