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Originally Posted by _tunic_

I watched that video. What she's basically saying is that every election in the recent past has been fraudulent and every politician knows about it. So that means that Trump's victory over Obama was a fraud too!! Did Trump or any other Republican complain back then? Did they say "oh no, we shouldn't have won because we rigged the voting machines."

Also it's very scary to me to use the term biblical or any other religious term in relation to politics. Politics and religion should be separated, which it isn't. Your religious leaders are promoting Trump and the Republican party, at least many of them are.
See also this blog: https://thewayofimprovement.com/cate...-and-politics/

Also: Jericho March??? https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/J...=hashtag_click

First off, Obama wasn’t a candidate in 2016, Hillary Clinton was running against Donald Trump. While I won’t argue fraud “could have” occurred, I don’t recall anyone from the Democratic Party questioning the results......Hillary conceded that same night!

I wish the interviewer would have asked Sidney Powell about necessary cheating for Hillary to beat out Bernie, but not using the same cheat scheme against Trump?? It’s possible they didn’t think they needed such measures against Donald?

Lastly, I don’t like: The Way Of Improvement website. Not because of what they say, but it kept refreshing every 10 seconds or so and was causing my phone to wig out. However, I was on it long enough to snap a picture of this evangelical headline:

Trust me, we would all rather have Kenneth Copeland laughing than blowing

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Trust me

pfffffffffffffffftttttttttttttt

go hypnotize a chicken

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Originally Posted by choc e-Claire

(this is for the hypothetical communist, not Biden himself)

… So yay for Joseph Stalin?

What the fuck is going on.

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

For the uninformed freethinkers, dismissals and “losing” are working parts that are actually paving the way to victory for President Donald Trump in the 2020 Election.

Spend 20 minutes with Sidney Powell: November 21, 2020......”it will be Biblical!”

The newest bit of info from this interview is that Bernie Sanders beat Crooked Hillary in 2016, but the Dominion System switched enough votes to keep Bernie out......you will need to listen to the interview to see what Bernie Sanders chose to do when presented with the evidence of voter fraud in 2016.

I’m concerned about Sideny Powell’s safety!

Leave this place. 4chan exists, and it will happily embrace you.

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Blah blah you’re swerving around the point. If every election’s been fraudulent then Trump was a fraudulent non-victory in 2016. The republicans weren’t complaining about fairness or rigged elections then.
Nor were they complaining in 2000

Hillary conceded because she has dignity, though I’m sure you’re the type to think of her as a child-porno-ring cannibal monster.
By not conceding and leveling wholly false claims, Trump is trying to blow up the democratic process completely.

If you support him, you’re either an idiot who doesn’t know any better, or you’re a shit person.

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Originally Posted by Severian

If you support him, you’re either an idiot who doesn’t know any better, or you’re a shit person.

(been saying this for months now...)

trump just requested another recount in georgia hahahahaha

the law allows him to do that and not have to pay for it.

but i guess the stupid fuck does not believe in numbers, which is how he came to bankrupt a casino in his day

now he’s trying to bankrupt georgia :D

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Originally Posted by Severian

Oh god, some of you are quoting the Magabillies. I'm trying really hard to unsee them.

The irony in all of this is....we KNOW the 2016 election was deeply flawed, thank you very much Mr Putin.

This really is a full-blown crisis imho. Team Trump is spewing all kinds of rigged-election conspiracy theories and refusing to concede, and millions of Magabillies are actually drinking this Kool-Aid. Where will this lead? Trump needs to go to fucking JAIL. The post-truth era has reached its peak. I feel deeply sorry and embarrassed for America.

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Originally Posted by Skuj

I feel deeply sorry and embarrassed for America.

i’m upgrading the threat level for our neighbors up north

https://youtu.be/3rJDVy3iVCY

From The Hill:

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Team Trump offering 'fire hose' of conspiracy Kool-Aid for supporters

By Glenn C. Altschuler, opinion contributor — 11/22/20 04:00 PM EST
The views expressed by contributors are their own and not the view of The Hill

President Trump continues to insist, without evidence, that the 2020 election was “RIGGED” and the announcement of a winner of more than 270 electoral votes was aided and abetted by the “Fake and Silent” news media. Among Trump’s recent retweets is a claim by a supporter that anyone who voted for former vice president Joe Biden was “ignorant, anti-American, and anti-Christian.” He has refused to concede or authorize his administration to cooperate with Biden and his colleagues on transition planning.

Sidney Powell, a member of Trump’s legal team, declared recently that the president “won by not just hundreds of thousands but by millions of votes that were shifted by this software that was designed expressly for that purpose. We have so much evidence, I feel like it’s coming in through a fire hose.” The CIA, Powell added, ignored complaints about the software, “which makes me wonder how much the CIA used it for its own benefit in various places.”

Apparently, millions of Trump supporters are drinking the conspiracy Kool-Aid from that fire hose: 78 percent of Republicans believe mail-in voting was rife with fraud, and 72 percent that Democratic poll workers tampered with ballot counting. Last week, huge numbers of MAGA hatters descended on Washington, D.C. to stand by their man.

But facts are — or at least, they should be — stubborn things.

Here are just of few facts that partisans of the party that embraces the elephant as its emblem should consider:

The vast majority of lawsuits filed by Team Trump have been dismissed as baseless, trivial, or have been withdrawn. In Arizona, Judge Daniel Kiley evaluated affidavits collected by the president’s campaign allegedly proving fraud. “Let me just clarify,” Judge Kiley said. “Your solicitation of witnesses yielded some sworn affidavits that you yourself clearly determined are ‘false’ and ‘spam,’ as you phrased it… The ones you couldn’t prove are false you submitted to this court?” Other suits — involving “overvotes” tabulated by a machine and ballots using Sharpie markers — sought to disqualify, at most, a couple of hundred votes. The Trump campaign dropped these suits because the size of Biden’s lead in Arizona (about 10,000 votes) rendered them “moot.”

Judge Timothy Kenny dismissed a suit seeking to block election certification in Michigan on the argument that officials in Wayne County predated mail-in ballots and refused to let Republican poll watchers observe ballot counting. “Plaintiffs’ interpretation of events,” Judge Kenny declared, “is incorrect and not credible.”

Sidney Powell’s claims have been contradicted by the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency of the United States, which leads federal election prosecution efforts. Last week the agency, whose leader President Trump promptly fired by tweet, deemed 2020 “the most secure election in American history,” an assessment shared by Republican and Democratic election officials throughout the country.

And it’s worth noting, when Trump’s lawyers have appeared in court, they have not even alleged — let alone documented — widespread fraud. Asked by a judge in Pennsylvania if he was alleging fraud in Montgomery County, Jonathan Goldstein replied: “To my knowledge at present, no.” Democrats and election officials in the state, Goldstein added, had acted “with good faith.”

The exception is Rudy Giuliani, who — for the first time in years — argued before a judge in Williamsport, Pa: according to the judge, Giuliani’s legal arguments were “without merit” and his “speculative accusations… unsupported by evidence.”

“In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state,” wrote Judge Matthew W. Brann, a Republican who has been active in the Federalist Society and the National Rifle Association. “Our people, laws, and institutions demand more.”

In other respects, claims of a rigged election do not pass the smell test.

How, one wonders, did the Democrats seize control of the electoral machinery in Arizona and Georgia, states in which all the branches of government are controlled by Republicans? Did Brad Raffensperger, Georgia’s Secretary of State, a proud and intensely partisan Republican, really order a costly and historic full-hand recount that, according to President Trump, is a “scam”? Why didn’t the Democrats make sure that David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, Georgia’s Republican U.S. senators, were defeated along with President Trump?

Why, for that matter, did the Democrats fail to seize majority control of the U.S. Senate by knocking off Susan Collins in Maine and Thom Tillis in North Carolina? Why did they allow their party to lose seats in the House of Representatives?

Even Rick Santorum — former far-right senator from Pennsylvania — looked at the numbers and determined: “If you’re going to steal an election, they did a pretty bad job.”

Groundless claims by the president (and his enablers in and outside Congress and the Cabinet) that the 2020 election was rigged might be dismissed as soon-to-pass spasms of sore losers if they didn’t present a clear and present danger to our health, national security, and our democracy.

While Mr. Trump is working hard — on his golf game — Coronavirus cases and hospitalizations in the United States are skyrocketing (with more than 170,000 new cases and 80,000 new hospitalizations every day — and tens of thousands of deaths almost certain to follow); millions of Americans are out of work; China has signed a pact with its neighbors that increases its political and economic clout in Asia; America’s allies and adversaries are watching, and the hurricane season is not yet over.

It’s time for President Trump and his followers to accept reality and move on.

Gee, I wonder what Mike Pence thinks about all of this.

someone tell susan collins that the dotard didn’t learn his lesson

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

someone tell susan collins that the dotard didn’t learn his lesson

***Googles Collins Dotard Lesson***

Meanwhile, there's some weird shit going on with Trumpy lawyer Powell. Team Trump is distancing themselves from her now.....but why?

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Originally Posted by Skuj

***Googles Collins Dotard Lesson***

After Trump was acquitted by the Senate, Collins basically said it was all hunky dory anyway because he had been impeached, which was a big deal and something he had "learned a lesson" from.

Probably the dumbest fucking thing Collins has ever said.

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Originally Posted by Skuj

Meanwhile, there's some weird shit going on with Trumpy lawyer Powell. Team Trump is distancing themselves from her now.....but why?

From Anchorage Daily News (some of it quoted from The Washington Post):

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Two advisers to Trump, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations, said that the president disliked the coverage Powell was receiving from Tucker Carlson and others, and that several allies had reached out to say she had gone too far. The advisers also said she argued with Giuliani and others in recent days. The president believed she was causing more harm than help, an official said. “She was too crazy even for the president,” a campaign official said.

Now, good point from... fucking Chris Christie, of all people, regardless of his agenda:

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Christie criticized Trump’s lawyers for proffering false conspiracy theories at news conferences and other media appearances.

“They don’t do it in the courtroom,” the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said, suggesting that attorneys are fearful of making baseless arguments under oath before federal judges.

“It must mean the evidence doesn’t exist,” Christie said.

From FOXNEWS:

Dominion rep responds to Trump campaign claims in Fox News interview: 'Physically impossible' to switch votes
Spokesperson denies that the company has ties to Venezuela or other foreign countries
I could quote parts of it but just read it fully and completely.

And:
Another article quotes Powell saying:

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In a statement obtained by the Wall Street Journal, Powell said: "I agree with the statement today [of Giuliani]. I will represent #WeThePeople and seek the Truth. I intend to expose all the fraud and let the chips fall where they may. We will not allow the foundations of this great Republic to be destroyed by abject fraud."

I wonder if Wethepeople is aware of this :D
Perhaps she only represents IAndIAloneIsThePeople

Also, this article claims that Powell has not reacted yet on Twitter because her account is suspended

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Originally Posted by _tunic_

I must admit that there is something fishy about this. As said at 00:40 in the video on that article, this Steel guy is actually not working for Dominion but for some other firm that is representing the firm as a Spokesperson. I could make the same claim.
It would have been better if someone spoke that was actually working for the company.

I can't stop posting these articles, this is another good one, again from FOXNEWS:

Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount

I got an email from someone purporting to be “on Trump’s legal team” asking me to commit coverage to the “real story” that’s “threatening America,” and stop covering “alleged ‘cases’” (of Covid).

Lol. Yeah, I’ll get right on that, cunto.

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Originally Posted by Severian

hahahahaaaa

the chicken hypnotizers are very busy these days i see. i haven’t gotten one yet.

btw, yr shitbox was full so the reply bounced. o well—time to work.

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Originally Posted by Severian

Did they tell you that you could win a million dollars too?
(this is actually old news but I only read it today so to me it's still new news :) )

IT’S OFFICIAL: President Trump Is the Most Popular Sitting President in US History – He Set Record for Most Votes for a President and Most Votes Ever for a Republican......And That’s With Fraud

“The Democrats, the Deep State and their foreign accomplices, should have learned an important lesson, if you are going to try and steal an election, choose a President other than the most popular President in history.”

Year—Candidate—Total Votes
2000 Gore 50,996,039
2000 Bush 50,456,141
2004 Kerry 59,028,109
2004 Bush 62,028,285
2008 Obama 69,491,817
2008 McCain 59,944,939
2012 Obama 65,915,795
2012 Romney 60,933,500
2016 Clinton 64,064,658
2016 Trump 62,186,413
2020 Biden 78,897,830
2020 Trump 73,221,080

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Year—Candidate—Total Votes
2020 Biden 78,897,830
2020 Trump 73,221,080

biden the clear winner there, sparky....

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

biden the clear winner there, sparky....

To get technical, the post didn't claim winner, just that Orange Baboon simply got the most votes ever as sitting POTUS.

Also just evidence of the quacks in this country.

Edit: the quote after does claim winner. My bad.

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Originally Posted by tw2113

Now, he still didn't win because Biden, I believe got the most votes ever out of anyone, standing or potentially incoming.

You know things are bad for you when even Rush Fucking Limbaugh has doubts.

https://thehill.com/homenews/527238-...something-fast

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

biden the clear winner there, sparky....

I keep trying to unsee the quotings of the Magabillies, but did Bytor just admit that Biden won?

Even Fucking Bytor?

SOMEONE TELL TRUMP!!!

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Originally Posted by Skuj

I keep trying to unsee the quotings of the Magabillies, but did Bytor just admit that Biden won?

he just admitted he can’t count past 4

Trump concedes, even though he doesn't concede:*

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ition-to-begin

(*I was talking Trumpese. Whenever I say stupid shit, my 12 year old says "Stop talking Trumpese".)

Can you imagine what a shit-show this "transition" will be? It's going to be a clusterfuck. Trump won't co-operate. I suspect that Pence will do the right thing. What will the fucking Inauguration look like? You think Trump is going to play nice?

Get your popcorn!

michigan certified their election giving their 16 votes to biden.

So much conspiracy everywhere!!

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Originally Posted by _tunic_

Did they tell you that you could win a million dollars too?
(this is actually old news but I only read it today so to me it's still new news :) )

No, it was sent to my work email address from someone claiming to be giving me some hot news scoop.

So, different kind of scam hahaha

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Originally Posted by Skuj

http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...postcount=9261

Paul Krugman's NYT newsletter, November 24:

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Yes, we have gone banana

Today’s column is about the remarkably destructive decision by Steven Mnuchin, Trump’s treasury secretary, to cut off lending programs that helped avert a serious financial crisis last spring and could all too easily be needed again if the coronavirus goes as wild as we fear after Thanksgiving. As I argued, it’s hard to see Mnuchin’s action as anything other than vandalism — trashing the economy, and the nation, on the way out.

The thing is, this sort of irresponsibility is fairly common — in economically and politically backward nations. And maybe that’s what America has become.

As it happens, I’ve spent a lot of time over the years studying and trying to analyze financial crises. Before I began writing for The Times, international finance was one of my specialties. And once upon a time crises were mainly things that happened to other countries, especially less developed countries. (I used to call myself an economic ambulance-chaser, always flying off to Jakarta or Buenos Aires to keep tabs on the latest disaster.)

In fact, in retrospect I began the transition from mainly being a pure academic to doing a lot of policy and political analysis, eventually leading to my gig at The Times, during the Asian financial crisis of the late 1990s. Even then, I worried that we weren’t immune from the kinds of problems then afflicting places like Thailand and Indonesia. I wrote a book in 1999, The Return of Depression Economics, about that risk; it aged well enough that I issued an updated version a decade later, “The Return of Depression Economics and the Crisis of 2008,” reflecting the fact that America had, indeed, suffered the kind of economic crisis we used to identify with the Third World.

What I didn’t see coming was the political side. It’s not just that America has been suffering from Third World-type economic crises. We’ve also been sliding into banana-republic politics, becoming the kind of country in which a president can refuse to acknowledge a clear election defeat — and be backed by most of his party.

The political scientist Brendan Nyhan likes to point to outrages against U.S. democracy and ask, “What would you say if you saw it in another country?” It’s a rhetorical question, of course: Our democracy is very close to failing.

There are three mistakes you shouldn’t make about what’s going on. First, don’t dismiss it because the antics of the Trump team — Four Seasons Total Landscaping, melting Rudy Giuliani — are so ridiculous. Authoritarian rulers are often ludicrous, because their hangers-on won’t tell them how silly they look. When the president of Turkmenistan erected a giant golden statue of himself on horseback, he didn’t become a national laughingstock — because nobody in his nation would have dared to laugh.

Second, don’t make the mistake of thinking that this happened all of a sudden. Republicans have been systematically undermining democracy for years through voter suppression, gerrymandering that gives them control of state legislatures even when they lose the popular vote by large margins, stripping power from governors who happen to be Democrats, and trying to bring criminal charges against their opponents.

Finally, don’t bothsides this. The decay of U.S. democracy isn’t about “politics”; it’s about one party’s turn away from democracy. Today’s G.O.P. is nothing like center-right parties in other advanced nations; it’s more like Fidesz, which has turned Hungary into a one-party state, than it is like, say, Britain’s Tories.

Why is all this happening? The truth is that I don’t fully understand it; neither do the political scientists, although they’re working on it (and I’m trying to follow their work.) But it is happening, and Joe Biden’s inauguration won’t be the end of the story.

Quick Hits

The Republican Party is an authoritarian outlier.

Why won’t Emily Murphy do her job?

Democracy dies in Wisconsin.

You too can hold your (virtual) meeting at Four Seasons Total Landscaping.

hah, i read krugman”s letter earlier and yes we’re in deep shit

but i’m alarmed, no joke